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    Stay in the political forum and stay out of here.
    Tell that to the person I was replying to and also stay in your own lane you ing .

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    calf tats getting regulated no matter what forum he posts in

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    Getting rid of a borderline allstar does not mean that the Spurs are going to tank this year. Without injuries to other voted in allstar players, DJM would not be an allstar YET. It's not like the Spurs got rid of a top tier player to suggest a tank move in the works. If they are tanking, they were already tanking, which they weren't.

    Going to be better ball movement this year with Tre and Primo running the point. Not saying that the Spurs will have a better record than last year, but I don't believe it's going to be that far off to consider it tanking. In the grand scheme of things, letting go off DJM could very well mean addition by subtraction!
    The problem is not getting rid of another fine player (best on team by far) but getting rolled again in return. No surprise here this FO is a pathetic joke and has been for years and yes the Spurs regression to abject mediocrity continues unabated

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    The problem is not getting rid of another fine player (best on team by far) but getting rolled again in return. No surprise here this FO is a pathetic joke and has been for years and yes the Spurs regression to abject mediocrity continues unabated
    How are the Washington Wizards doing, again? I would take your opinion seriously if it was for the fact that you think Washington (my local team) has a brighter future.

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    How are the Washington Wizards doing, again? I would take your opinion seriously if it was for the fact that you think Washington (my local team) has a brighter future.
    Washington, Sacramento, San Antonio are easily worst front offices in the NBA last few years.

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    Washington, Sacramento, San Antonio are easily worst front offices in the NBA last few years.
    this is a sad reality unfortunately

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    Washington, Sacramento, San Antonio are easily worst front offices in the NBA last few years.
    Delusional.

    There's no other word to describe the comparing of Wash and SAC's FOs (and terrible, terrible moves) to those of SanAn's. Simply delusional.

    But since you'll clearly disagree, do say which of SA's moves are as comparably bad as Beal's contract or Sac trading Hali away. Maybe you're a Dejounte truther?

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    Delusional.

    There's no other word to describe the comparing of Wash and SAC's FOs (and terrible, terrible moves) to those of SanAn's. Simply delusional.

    But since you'll clearly disagree, do say which of SA's moves are as comparably bad as Beal's contract or Sac trading Hali away. Maybe you're a Dejounte truther?
    In the last 5 years we are a distant third.

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    DeMarre Carroll was pathetic

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    Washington, Sacramento, San Antonio are easily worst front offices in the NBA last few years.
    How about the Knicks

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    Just saw the schedule come out.
    We might go 2-12 to start the year.
    Tanking or not tanking, it won't matter.
    This roster can't keep up in the western conference.

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    In the last 5 years we are a distant third.
    I think from our Kawhi trade to having to cut Luka, we weíre pretty awful or at least those years felt awful. It was all short term moves to stay compe ive and for Pop to get his record, which he deserves to do, despite how horrible the DDR years were as a fan, but the draft picks were average for the most part, with league average misses. I also think Brian Wright was learning on the job. But with our DJ trade, our more recent picks, I generally think Wright is doing a good to very good job. (Primo pick will need more time to assess, ie not much to love so far).

    Anyway, I think now after getting Popís record we are finally doing what we need to. The problem for me with holding off on rebuilding for so long is that fan interest and motivation and attendance has gotten so bad that now we have to deal with the possibility of ownership getting cold feet. If they had committed to rebuilding at the point of the Kawhi trade, there would probably be more fan interest at this point. Instead, weíve been getting worse every single year since Kawhi left, which is having a definite impact on fan interest.
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    I think from our Kawhi trade to having to cut Luka, we we’re pretty awful or at least those years felt awful. It was all short term moves to stay compe ive and for Pop to get his record, which he deserves to do, despite how horrible the DDR years were as a fan, but the draft picks were average for the most part, with league average misses. I also think Brian Wright was learning on the job. But with our DJ trade, our more recent picks, I generally think Wright is doing a good to very good job. (Primo pick will need more time to assess, ie not much to love so far).

    Anyway, I think now after getting Pop’s record we are finally doing what we need to. The problem for me with holding off on rebuilding for so long is that fan interest in motivation and attendance has gotten so bad but now we have to deal with the possibility of ownership getting cold feet. If they had committed to rebuilding at the point of the Kawhi trade, there would probably be more fan interest at this point. Instead, we’ve been getting worse every single year since Kawhi left, which is having a definite impact on fan interest.
    I agree. Whoever has been pulling the trigger since the trade deadline has a brain.

    The moves, and even worse non moves PATFO made since 2017-18 have been alarming and scream a front office who has no clue what they are doing. Can’t keep riding Tim, Tony and Manu’s coattails. Only so many bobble head nights you can do.

    We will finally bottom out when Pop retires and from there the true rebuild begins; 5 years late.

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    For me, it’s perhaps not about competency but goals.

    Yes, they milked whatever they could out of Mills, (was Marco here?/I’ve blocked out his memory evidently), LA, DDR and even signed McBuckets to try and get just enough wins for Pop to stumble into first place wins last year.

    I think it’s deserved in the big picture but an hetical to what he preaches, so that’s annoying, but understandable. The draft picks of Lonnie, Luka, and possibly Primo are a separate issue than just milking veterans, but we did great with Tre Jones and Keldon late in the draft so it’s not all bad. So anyway, there’s an argument that the FO hasn’t been “bad” but just had highly questionable motivations. Because, again, as soon as Pop got his record, not long after, DJ is gone and the rebuild is on.

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    Why would the Spurs have made "win now" moves recently to get Pop the record if he was going to stick around anyway? Even a terrible team will almost certainly win 35 games over two years.

    Unless Pop had planned to retire this offseason all along and changed his mind?

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    For me, itís perhaps not about competency but goals.

    Yes, they milked whatever they could out of Mills, (was Marco here?/Iíve blocked out his memory evidently), LA, DDR and even signed McBuckets to try and get just enough wins for Pop to stumble into first place wins last year.

    I think itís deserved in the big picture but an hetical to what he preaches, so thatís annoying, but understandable. The draft picks of Lonnie, Luka, and possibly Primo are a separate issue than just milking veterans, but we did great with Tre Jones and Keldon late in the draft so itís not all bad. So anyway, thereís an argument that the FO hasnít been ďbadĒ but just had highly questionable motivations. Because, again, as soon as Pop got his record, not long after, DJ is gone and the rebuild is on.

    For me, the post-Kawhi years were frustrating because the Spurs moved away from what had traditionally made them great while also taking half measures to stay current with the more successful evolving NBA concepts. I remember one particular time while watching a game where the announcer of the opposing team was going on about how Pop and the Spurs emphasized a "defense first" philosophy, and said if someone didn't play D they wouldn't see the floor... at that moment, Mills, Forbes, and DeRozan were on the floor at the same time... For a number of years, we had all of these 3 pt shooting specialists who were defensive liabilities, but the Spurs were still at the bottom of the league in 3 pt attempts. That seemed like a self-defeating approach. And then to go along with the low frequency of 3 pt shooting, they tried to buck the trend with a two-pronged midrange offense of Aldridge and DeRozan, which really never had a shot at succeeding, so that wasn't much fun to watch. I'm glad they have a clearer direction now, and loved the Sochan pick, but for me there was definitely a sluggish period of relative aimlessness that was frustrating to watch. Oh well-- onward!
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    RD: I see your point. My response would be that they saw two stars in DDR and LA and tried to plug holes and find role players to fill deficiencies (to get Pop the record). I’m analyzing here not agreeing. I hated that era more than any other in the history of the team.

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    For me, it’s perhaps not about competency but goals.

    Yes, they milked whatever they could out of Mills, (was Marco here?/I’ve blocked out his memory evidently), LA, DDR and even signed McBuckets to try and get just enough wins for Pop to stumble into first place wins last year.

    I think it’s deserved in the big picture but an hetical to what he preaches, so that’s annoying, but understandable. The draft picks of Lonnie, Luka, and possibly Primo are a separate issue than just milking veterans, but we did great with Tre Jones and Keldon late in the draft so it’s not all bad. So anyway, there’s an argument that the FO hasn’t been “bad” but just had highly questionable motivations. Because, again, as soon as Pop got his record, not long after, DJ is gone and the rebuild is on.
    There are probably several voices in the spurs front office saying totally different things. Sometimes during the draft they agree to swing for the fences (Luka) , and sometimes they go with the safe choice (Devin Vassell). Same goes with the direction of the team. They tried to make it work with DDR and Aldridge with rather limited success and now they're doing the opposite going with the youngsters. Losing your coaching talent can also change the team direction with stubborn Pop being the last holdover.

    It comes down to what you can do with the talent you have and right now we don't have enough to compete. It used to be we drafted talent to compliment our big 3 but we don't have a big 3 any more. We don't even have an "all star" any more.

    So this year is going to be a tough one. We will try to develop our young remaining players and our new rookies at the same time, all the while "tanking " but trying not to look like we're tanking like Portland did last year. The goal is to develop our young players, develop our rookies and finish bad enough to draft someone who might be an all star some day. We are starting all over and hopefully we draft a player that our current young players and rookies can compliment. Its a decent strategy, but I think that's what we do in the sort term with what we have and what we have done so far. Maybe someone in the spurs front office surprises us with a trade somewhere and speeds up the process a bit.

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    Why would the Spurs have made "win now" moves recently to get Pop the record if he was going to stick around anyway? Even a terrible team will almost certainly win 35 games over two years.

    Unless Pop had planned to retire this offseason all along and changed his mind?
    Iím just speculating on a hypothesis, so to speak. If perhaps you were speaking directly to, why did they sign McBuckets, Iím not totally sure, but I think they had no idea how good or bad they would be this last season, and they probably didnít think DJ would be as good as he was.

    And, I think itís entirely possible that Pop pulls an Irish Farewell and retires right before the season and Brown takes over. I mean, itís not outrageous and more likely tgan he sticks around for two more seasons.

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    I’m just speculating on a hypothesis, so to speak. If perhaps you were speaking directly to, why did they sign McBuckets, I’m not totally sure, but I think they had no idea how good or bad they would be this last season, and they probably didn’t think DJ would be as good as he was.

    And, I think it’s entirely possible that Pop pulls an Irish Farewell and retires right before the season and Brown takes over. I mean, it’s not outrageous and more likely tgan he sticks around for two more seasons.

    pop is most definitely coaching this season

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