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    Lebron, Giannis, Durant, Curry... marveled at the kid but Wemby is just another Porzingis. These guys don't even watch BB.
    All of that NBA adulation was after the Ignite games. His article was in July, before those two games in Vegas. LeBron didn’t even know who Wemby was before Vegas.

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    Scoot looks like CP3 on steroids (by that I mean more athletic, and not necessarily a better version). Sounds like it contradicts what I said about him not being a generational prospect since CP3 is soon to be an NBA legend, but generational to me would be NBA landscape-changing players. Curry, MJ, Timmy, LeBron…. The thing with building around non-generational (usually average sized) point guards though is they need a stronger supporting cast than say if you were building around wings or bigs. So if the Spurs land Scoot, they need to pair him quickly with other stars or he ends up like winless guys like Lillard, Deron Williams, Jason Kidd (before pairing with Dirk), the list goes on.
    With Vassell/Keldon/Sochan/Jak that is already a better team than Lillard ever had IMO and Spurs now have tons of picks and cap space to add to it as you mentioned.

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    Scoot looks like CP3 on steroids (by that I mean more athletic, and not necessarily a better version). Sounds like it contradicts what I said about him not being a generational prospect since CP3 is soon to be an NBA legend, but generational to me would be NBA landscape-changing players. Curry, MJ, Timmy, LeBron…. The thing with building around non-generational (usually average sized) point guards though is they need a stronger supporting cast than say if you were building around wings or bigs. So if the Spurs land Scoot, they need to pair him quickly with other stars or he ends up like winless guys like Lillard, Deron Williams, Jason Kidd (before pairing with Dirk), the list goes on.
    I dunno... CP3 is all about his intelligence and situational cunning moreso than anything else.
    I don't see that in Scoot.
    Respectfully.

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    All of that NBA adulation was after the Ignite games. His article was in July, before those two games in Vegas. LeBron didn’t even know who Wemby was before Vegas.
    Wemby was deeply talked about for more than one year on ESPN, so the business knew, and Dean, as a specialist, certainly should have known about the existence of a kid who was considered by scouts for two years already a potential generational talent..

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    Was skeptical at first about Scoot. And I’m the guy who goes against the consensus when there are valid reasons. Scoot’s got my seal of approval. He’s not a generational prospect by any means. But he looks closer to what a franchise is looking for when you’re picking that high than most of the guys in the lottery.
    It's all about risk. It's nice to speculate and bet on later lottery picks being better than earlier ones, but as a (real) GM, who has the responsabilty of running an NBA franchise with real money, and a ownership above your head, your job is to evaluate risks. You can't reset and remake the draft, your choices may determine the future of your franchise for the next 3-4 years...

    It might change, but as we're speaking Scoot as #2 represents the best chance at getting a star/superstar, with the less risks at failing. And if you're Wright, no matter your gut feeling, no matter the flyer you'd like to ake on another player, you take Scoot.... Hey, you may trade him right away for the right deal, but you take him for the value he represents for you and the NBA...

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    https://twitter.com/espn/status/1621881689600413696

    ESPN's '23 Mock Draft - First round
    1. Houston Rockets
    Victor Wembanyama | Metropolitans 92 | PF/C | Age: 19.0
    2. Detroit Pistons
    Scoot Henderson | G League Ignite | PG | Age: 18.9
    3. San Antonio Spurs
    Amen Thompson | Overtime Elite | PG/SG | Age: 20.0
    4. Charlotte Hornets (to Atlanta if 17-30)
    Brandon Miller | Alabama | SF | Age: 20.1
    5. Orlando Magic
    Ausar Thompson | Overtime Elite | SG/SF | Age: 20.0
    6. Oklahoma City Thunder
    Nick Smith Jr. | Arkansas | PG/SG| Age: 18.7
    7. Indiana Pacers
    Jarace Walker | Houston | PF | Age: 19.4
    8. Orlando Magic (from Chicago)
    Keyonte George | Baylor | SG | Age: 19.2
    9. Toronto Raptors
    Cam Whitmore | Villanova | SF/PF | Age: 18.5
    10. Washington Wizards
    Anthony Black | Arkansas | PG/SG | Age: 19.0
    11. New Orleans Pelicans
    Gradey | Kansas | SG/SF | Age: 19.2
    12. Los Angeles Lakers
    Cason Wallace | Kentucky | PG/SG | Age: 19.2
    13. Portland Trail Blazers
    Kyle Filipowski | Duke | PF/C | Age: 19.1
    14. Utah Jazz (from Minnesota Timberwolves)
    Jett Howard | Michigan | SG/SF | Age: 19.3
    15. Utah Jazz
    Brice Sensabaugh | Ohio St. | SF/PF | Age: 19.2
    16. New York Knicks (from Dallas Mavericks)
    Rayan Rupert | New Zealand Breakers | SG/SF | Age: 18.6
    17. Atlanta Hawks
    Maxwell Lewis | Pepperdine | SF | Age: 20.5
    18. New York Knicks
    Kris Murray | Iowa | PF | Age: 22.4
    19. Golden State Warriors
    Taylor Hendricks | UCF | PF | Age: 19.1
    20. Phoenix Suns
    Jalen Hood-Schifino | Indiana | PG/SG | Age: 19.6
    21. Miami Heat
    Dariq Whitehead | Duke | SG/SF | Age: 18.5
    22. Sacramento Kings
    Colby Jones | Xavier | SF | Age: 20.6
    23. LA Clippers
    James Nnaji | Barcelona | C | Age: 18.4
    24. Indiana Pacers (from Cleveland)
    Gregory Jackson II | South Carolina | PF/C | Age: 18.1
    25. Brooklyn Nets
    Leonard Miller | G League Ignite | SF/PF | Age: 19.1
    26. Houston Rockets (from Milwaukee)
    Jordan Hawkins | Connecticut | SG | Age: 20.7
    27. Memphis Grizzlies
    Dereck Lively II | Duke | C | Age: 18.9
    28. Utah Jazz (from Philadelphia)
    Terquavion Smith | NC State | SG | Age: 20.0
    29. Charlotte Hornets (from Denver)
    Dillon Mitc | Texas | PF | Age: 19.2
    30. Indiana Pacers (via Boston Celtics
    Kel'el Ware| Oregon | C | Age: 18.6
    If we look at Barlow and the Thompson's twin's last year's stats at per 40mins other than assists it is pretty similar. It is amazing that Barlow goes undrafted and yet the twins are expected to be top 5 this upcoming draft.

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    I dunno... CP3 is all about his intelligence and situational cunning moreso than anything else.
    I don't see that in Scoot.
    Respectfully.
    Yes, there are aspects from Paul that are extraordinary. The key attribute I’m taking between he and Scoot is the way they both take command as the point guard of the team. Paul is the clear general of the team when he has the ball in his hands, there’s a certain “air” about him when he sets up a play. I feel the same way when Scoot has the ball. When he gets to any spot, it’s like a precognition where suddenly he has more than one good option to choose from whereas other players didn’t plan very well and have no choice but to chuck it up. Watching film of Scoot and the more I watch the more I see his excellent timing on his passes which is a sign of high intelligence.

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    GG Jackson being mocked in the mid to late first round is an absolute steal. Makes a lot of sense to take a swing at him with how young he is.

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    GG Jackson being mocked in the mid to late first round is an absolute steal. Makes a lot of sense to take a swing at him with how young he is.
    To me a guy like Jackson is a reason to acquire a late lottery pick. If you hit #2 and get Scoot and can add Jackson to that you've done something positive for this franchise...and entertaining..

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    To me a guy like Jackson is a reason to acquire a late lottery pick. If you hit #2 and get Scoot and can add Jackson to that you've done something positive for this franchise...and entertaining..
    I agree, been saying this all season

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    I'd be disappointed all that comes out of this draft for us is GG Jackson @ #6 or #7. However, if we land no. 3-5 and we trade back for (say) Orlando's picks (their own + Chicago's), as a lower lottery gamble he could be worth it.

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    GG Jackson being mocked in the mid to late first round is an absolute steal. Makes a lot of sense to take a swing at him with how young he is.
    Knowing Presti's mindset, he doesn't go past OKC. Book it.

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    Yes, there are aspects from Paul that are extraordinary. The key attribute I’m taking between he and Scoot is the way they both take command as the point guard of the team. Paul is the clear general of the team when he has the ball in his hands, there’s a certain “air” about him when he sets up a play. I feel the same way when Scoot has the ball. When he gets to any spot, it’s like a precognition where suddenly he has more than one good option to choose from whereas other players didn’t plan very well and have no choice but to chuck it up. Watching film of Scoot and the more I watch the more I see his excellent timing on his passes which is a sign of high intelligence.
    I savvy. Nice observation.

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    There are 2 concerns with Scoot: range, and at ude. And by the later I mean that there's a risk he'll go blinded by the lights and want to bolt at some point. Other than that, he's the clear no. 2 pick IMO.

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    There are 2 concerns with Scoot: range, and at ude. And by the later I mean that there's a risk he'll go blinded by the lights and want to bolt at some point. Other than that, he's the clear no. 2 pick IMO.
    An undersized guard dependant on athleticism and strength with a very high usage rate. I do like his assist numbers, but it's the G League. He reads Steve Francis to me. Who was very good, but the sort of player who never wins anything.

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    Oh yeah and he can't shoot worth .

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    The wanting to move to a different market concept has not historically happened much. Some people still clinging to kawhi. Not to mention, the Spurs ran off Kawhi. They demanded he fit in to their mold. They tried to play hardball with his contract. They opened the door to leave and he took their bluff. The same argument that these young guys want to be a star in a big market would mean they want to be THE MAN on their team. They get that in San Antonio. Dejounte didn't want to leave until Pop sat him down and told him why it would benefit him. The majority of NBA life is spent traveling and living in summer homes. Too many obsessed with this concept. It exists, but not nearly as big an issue.

    A top two pick would be awesome for the spurs. I think scoot will have close to the same impact on the spurs legitimacy in the NBA as wemby. He's a legit No.1 prospect/Franchise type player. It's a coin flip whether they all work out or not but Scoot is definitely blue chip.

    Now back to the thread le.. my top 10 changes every other week. Definitely talent to be had and think the top 5 will have a surprise or two.

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    An undersized guard dependant on athleticism and strength with a very high usage rate. I do like his assist numbers, but it's the G League. He reads Steve Francis to me. Who was very good, but the sort of player who never wins anything.
    1. He's not big, but not undersized either for a PG, he should be about 6'1" realistically. Also he's very athletic and strong, yes, but he's also very skilled, I do not see him as a Westbrook part. 2 because he's much better equipped above his shoulders.
    2. He's really a PG, he also scores, but I think he's a smart and willing passer, and could be molded (somewhat). I don't see him as a ball hog of a chucker at all.
    3. Yes, he comes from the G League, but he's a 19 y.o. in his second professional season and he did well in both, that's not a lower level of compe ion than a lot of other prospects ranked in the same tier. Also, he looked REALLY good vs Wemby's Euro team. And I don't just go by numbers, I trust my eyes.
    4. He's not a horrible shooter from the line (about 75%) but yes, his 3 is bad (below 30%). If Sochan is already improving, I don't see why Scoot (who is already better at it) couldn't do the same, given that FTs suggest he can (I'll admit this isn't a guarantee, as Tre exemplifies).
    5. I do concur that high usage, me first PGs are not the ideal archetype you build around. But while there may be some similarities with Steve Francis, I don't think that's an accurate description of Scoot. He's got better instincts, he's more creative, younger, and I believe can be molded into the kind of player who looks to get his teammates involved first.
    6. He seems very compe ive, I doubt he'll be content with just putting up big numbers.

    That's basically why I have him as a worthy no. 2. At some point you can find arguments (excuses?) to pick apart pretty much every prospect, If that's what you're going for. But I think he holds up pretty well against just about any other PG prospect that came out in the past 5 years.

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    A shoot-first PG is a SG.

    High-usage undersize SGs leading teams in the NBA normally don't go well.

    A high-usage player isn't what works on the Spurs. Maybe they can change for a young guy who has only played G-League?

    As for G-League/Ignite draftees, we have:

    Jalen Green
    Jonathan Kuminga
    Isaiah Todd
    Dyson Daniels
    MarJon Beauchamp
    Jaden Hardy

    And then these have signed contracts:

    Daishen Nix
    Michael Foster Jr.

    Admittedly it's only be a few years, but that's not a track record covered in glory. Definitely can take time with some of these players, but it's not a great sign that most of them got worse in their second year. I left out Wiseman and Sharpe, who might have been even worse prepared for the NBA.

    I mean, I get it, we all need something to believe in. I'll leave it alone. But I don't see a 'generational talent.' I see a guy who might be good.

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    Meanwhile, watching OSU vs. Michigan. Man, Sensabaugh and Jett Howard are utter non-factors in this game, and they're suggested as late lottery types. I'll watch more, but not really impressed so far.

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    A shoot-first PG is a SG.
    Seriously?

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    Lol, yes. WTF. A guy who guns for his own shot then passes out when he has to is a shooting guard. Are people new to basketball or what? Stephon Marbury, Steve Francis were undersized SGs.

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    What was Tony?

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    Lol, yes. WTF. A guy who guns for his own shot then passes out when he has to is a shooting guard. Are people new to basketball or what? Stephon Marbury, Steve Francis were undersized SGs.
    Steph?
    Lillard?

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    Lillard definitely ain't a PG. Steph... we call him one because he's small. He's a SG. The Warriors' sets move the ball around enough, with Draymond being the real facilitator, that they don't need an old school point.

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