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    Very cool and needed.
    Hard to evaluate unless the evaluators are truly hard-core Bball junkies of everything live.

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    Curious who people see as “prototypical Spurs picks”, let’s say if we end up drafting somewhere between 3-9.

    Trying to guess, and in no order, but maybe:

    Cam Whitmore
    Anthony Black
    Jarace Walker
    Ausur Thompson (dark horse)

    I don’t see the Spurs prioritizing the Thompson Twins, but I could also see them preferring Ausur and/or seeing him as undervalued if we pick late and he’s still around.

    Just speculating…

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    Brandon Miller to the Spurs at #3 in the latest ESPN mock draft.

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    Assuming Victor and Scoot go #1 and #2 as expected, I'm curious if anyone here would want the Spurs to draft Brandon Miller, if the Spurs end up with the #3 pick. He brought a gun to a teammate that resulted in a woman being murdered. His coach is the same guy that mentored Josh Primo. Does anyone here think he's still your pick at #3? If not, who would you pick at #3 instead? Or would you trade down?

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    Brandon Miller to the Spurs at #3 in the latest ESPN mock draft.
    They’re not really matching teams to players yet on most mocks. It’s more like a big board, just ranking the players, and assigning that ranked player to the team that happens to be there in the current standings.

    I know a lot of you disagree, but I can see no scenario where we draft and keep Miller.

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    Assuming Victor and Scoot go #1 and #2 as expected, I'm curious if anyone here would want the Spurs to draft Brandon Miller, if the Spurs end up with the #3 pick. He brought a gun to a teammate that resulted in a woman being murdered. His coach is the same guy that mentored Josh Primo. Does anyone here think he's still your pick at #3? If not, who would you pick at #3 instead? Or would you trade down?
    I’d trade back.

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    My oversimplified analysis: America loves guns and sports. But the law is typically prejudiced against black people. Seems like it could have gone either way for Miller. He got lucky. But then there’s a backlash against Ja, and the court of public opinion swings the other way. But I’m not following this closely.
    You say the law is predjudiced against black people yet neither Miller or Ja were charged with a crime.

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    Assuming Victor and Scoot go #1 and #2 as expected, I'm curious if anyone here would want the Spurs to draft Brandon Miller, if the Spurs end up with the #3 pick. He brought a gun to a teammate that resulted in a woman being murdered. His coach is the same guy that mentored Josh Primo. Does anyone here think he's still your pick at #3? If not, who would you pick at #3 instead? Or would you trade down?
    Nah, Miller gave the gun away. We need shooters.

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    Assuming Victor and Scoot go #1 and #2 as expected, I'm curious if anyone here would want the Spurs to draft Brandon Miller, if the Spurs end up with the #3 pick. He brought a gun to a teammate that resulted in a woman being murdered. His coach is the same guy that mentored Josh Primo. Does anyone here think he's still your pick at #3? If not, who would you pick at #3 instead? Or would you trade down?
    If Miller is the best player, i take him.

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    You say the law is predjudiced against black people yet neither Miller or Ja were charged with a crime.
    I think the last 200 years strongly suggests the law is prejudiced.

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    i saw an athletic article asking if Miller was actually the right choice at two. So maybe the drama of having to pick him at 3 is moot.

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    You say the law is predjudiced against black people yet neither Miller or Ja were charged with a crime.
    Gun culture and failing to push common sense gun laws and/or rolling back gun policies bit them in the ass in both these scenarios. Not that either committed a crime, because they didn't. But you better believe that with stricter gun laws they'd be the first two seeing the book thrown at them.

    Had they been white it would of just been Miller bringing a gun to a buddy for self defense and how many times have we seen neckbeards and maga flaunting their guns on social media in a way more irresponsible way than Ja did. ing politicians families taking Christmas picks with their elementary age kids dry humping semi-autos. If Boebert or Greene were black they'd have long been criminalized.

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    I think the last 200 years strongly suggests the law is prejudiced.
    Sometimes the law is prejudiced by staying out of disputes among the disfavored, as in "let em go at each other as long as . . ." That might lead to Miller not being charged.

    Regarding whites brandishing guns:

    If Boebert or Greene were black they'd have long been criminalized.
    Probably right.

    California governor Ronald Reagan came out in favor of gun control, but only after blacks started arming themselves (Black Panthers).

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    At this point, if Miller is draft eligible and no charges filed, I would fully expect him to still go 3 whether that is SA or anyone else. I would be thrilled with it from a basketball perspective at this point too for the Spurs.

    But, I also know the Spurs will turn over every stone they can on the young man so I dont think they draft him unless they are very confident on all of this anyways so its moot.

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    part of me says the Spurs will pass on Miller because of the red flags but i have no idea what will come out in every single interview and background check that takes place before the draft. miller is in a gray area as to what extent of guilt or responsibility he shares for jamea's death. with all that happened with primo this season, the spurs will likely defer but i can't say for certain. my guess is they would pass. as to whether they trade down or not depends on what other player out there the spurs FO happens to have on their board at that time.

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    part of me says the Spurs will pass on Miller because of the red flags but i have no idea what will come out in every single interview and background check that takes place before the draft. miller is in a gray area as to what extent of guilt or responsibility he shares for jamea's death. with all that happened with primo this season, the spurs will likely defer but i can't say for certain. my guess is they would pass. as to whether they trade down or not depends on what other player out there the spurs FO happens to have on their board at that time.
    There will be teams that will thirst for Miller if they don’t get into the top 2, so no, you don’t just pass and give them the player they want. You trade back.

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    I’m not following these top ranked players that closely, but a common critique I hear of many of them is that they don’t actually finish well at the rim, or they actually have problems getting to the rim still, despite their supposed athleticism and decent handles. Lots of questions with a lot of these guys.

    I haven’t heard the same concerns about Scoot, as he seems to get to the rim and finish at a high rate. I always assumed he would be the lock for number two, but a lot of draft online chatter is showing Miller as the number two pic now. Of course, it’s early and it’s all online nonsense, but that’s the first I’ve seen anyone suggest that scoot would not go number two.

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    I think the Ja situation is probably exacerbated by other behind the scenes stuff we don't know about.
    We've heard grumblings about his behavior before this, but not a lot of details.
    I bet there's more and this gun thing is the final straw that forced the team to act.
    Being super rich and famous and illegally having a gun in a club is dumb, especially when you can afford to have muscle with you do to that .
    But it's not like he actually shot anyone. We'll see if he learns from this.

    The Miller thing is hard to gauge.
    He could be a decent kid who made a terrible mistake. Or it could be indicative of a flawed character.
    We can't easily know the difference because the 'Bama program is run by a weasel with no ethics or morals.
    That they are connected is another red flag though.
    Miller is OBVIOUSLY a top 3 talent in the draft right now.
    Some might even see him as top 2 if he slays in the tourney. But will he have a top3 or top 2 outcome to his career?
    It will probably come down to his character.
    Teams will have to do some serious investigations and due diligence if they end up in position to draft him.

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    I’m not following these top ranked players that closely, but a common critique I hear of many of them is that they don’t actually finish well at the rim, or they actually have problems getting to the rim still, despite their supposed athleticism and decent handles. Lots of questions with a lot of these guys.

    I haven’t heard the same concerns about Scoot, as he seems to get to the rim and finish at a high rate. I always assumed he would be the lock for number two, but a lot of draft online chatter is showing Miller as the number two pic now. Of course, it’s early and it’s all online nonsense, but that’s the first I’ve seen anyone suggest that scoot would not go number two.
    Scoot is actually quite average at rim finishing, which is concerning considering that he plays in the gleague and there are virtually no shot blockers.

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    Where do you find finishing numbers?

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    Scoot is actually quite average at rim finishing, which is concerning considering that he plays in the gleague and there are virtually no shot blockers.
    The more concerning thing may be the bad record of Scoot's gleague team. He's the quarterback of a team that's losing in a fairly low-level league.

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    The Ringer has Brandon Miller above Scoot at this point. https://nbadraft.theringer.com/?_ga=...024.1678380316

    Say what you will about that guy's work, but the shift is out there. It's no secret that I value high level college ball much more than runaround G-League play, and Miller is extremely good. Scoot still has the 'he's generational! best pick in any other draft!' thing going for him.

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    Gun culture and failing to push common sense gun laws and/or rolling back gun policies bit them in the ass in both these scenarios. Not that either committed a crime, because they didn't. But you better believe that with stricter gun laws they'd be the first two seeing the book thrown at them.

    Had they been white it would of just been Miller bringing a gun to a buddy for self defense and how many times have we seen neckbeards and maga flaunting their guns on social media in a way more irresponsible way than Ja did. ing politicians families taking Christmas picks with their elementary age kids dry humping semi-autos. If Boebert or Greene were black they'd have long been criminalized.
    Sorry but changing gun laws not going to put a dent into shooting deaths most guns used in big city shootings are stolen and criminals don’t give a about laws. Just like people who want illegal drugs can easily get them so can people get almost any weapon they want.

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