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Reminds me of all the thoughts about Dyson Daniels and Shadeon Sharpe when it came down to it both were gone by #9 and the question was moot.
Dejounte?
Reminds me of all the thoughts about Dyson Daniels and Shadeon Sharpe when it came down to it both were gone by #9 and the question was moot.
Really warming up on a Thompson, prefer Ausar actually. Been thinking about this but you can teach shooting. Especially in a positive development environment like SA. You can't teach freak athleticism, that 6'7 frame. Ausar is a lump of clay and Spurs dev is the sculptor.
Look at Sochan, NOT known as an offensively diverse guy coming into the league and people said it would take work. But like 55 games in he is showcasing layers of offensive tools. The talent and the athleticism are the lump of clay and that's what players use to their advantage once they learn the offensive skillsets to abuse their advantage in athleticism. Hats off to Jeremy to learn and do the work, but that's the dev culture of San Antonio at work too, imo.
I see someone like say Nick Smith Jr as really just one dimensional scoring and some playmaking but a sieve on defense and just empty calories scoring. Which might be golden for another team with more meat on the bones roster-wise where NSJ could just come in as scoring punch and put the team over the top. Spurs need more than that right now and NSJ could seem like just a drop in the bucket in SA. But Ausar could be essentially at least in the same ballpark playmaking-wise as NSJ, with at least plausibly more respectable defense, especially perimeter, plus better glue stuff like steals, blocks, and rebounds than NSJ, plus Ausar has the athleticism to eventually become a better scorer with time once he learns, in the positive development environment of a club like SA, with tons of mins to throw at him.
How much of the inability to shoot, the poor finishing at the rim, how much of that is really just that ty league the Thomsons twins are in? The ty league, the ty compe ion, the ty coaches, staff and system? You can't improve in that. NCAA is better pressure and better coaching, gets kids into better positions to hone their craft and learn from more various adversities they face. But take a raw but gifted frame and freakish athleticism like Ausar and put it in the proper moulding cir stances, can you press out a diamond? Would be interesting too as Keldon possibly taps out in value, pick up Ausar who can shift up SG/SF, sell high on Keldon Johnson with mostly more late late draft capital, say 26 or 27 and on, and reload the wing. Was watching an interview with the twins and the personality read came back very clean and encouraging. They seem over themselves and ready to be carved into excellence imo.
Not to interject inappropriately, but it would appear the terms of the trade would be:
If the Spurs pick #2 or lower AND Scoot is on the board, Dejounte wins if Scoot is picked by the Spurs and starts the season with him. All other scenarios (Spurs draft someone else, or they draft and trade him, or they trade out of the pick), then Ex wins.
This is a nightmare scenario, IMO, but at least Ausar is a home run swing after the tank fails to yield glory.
I still like Cam Whitmore at 5, but that's probably a reach.
We got a$100 wager boys
Yeah, both teams should have taken Sochan instead.
Do you really like Miles Bridges that much?
It's way to early to draw that conclusion....
I think you can safely say it about Portland. Sharpe is nauseatingly bad, like bottom few on RAPTOR in the league.
Probably not. I like Daniels and we'll see. Sharpe, definitely. Either way, Pels and Blazers would be far better right now had they picked Sochan. He'd add something both teams are sorely lacking.
I'm not disputing that Sochan is better or that those teams would be better now, but the draft isn't about year one, and we don't have enough data to draw those conclusions yet. We really don't know if any of the 3 turn into anything special over the course of their careers. While I also agree with you and ex that Sharpe isn't likely to be a plus player (putting it mildly) over time, it only matters in the context of this proposition if Sochan does well. So, like you guys, I'd bet on Sochan at this point as being the better choice, I just can't conclude it yet..
As a player Miles Bridges sounds like a good ceiling for anyone in this draft outside the top 3 (Wemby, Scoot & Miller).
If we pick outside of top 3, I think Cam Whitmore and Anthony Black are probably our best bets as high floor (productive NBA player) and relatively high ceiling (high end starter, occasional all star) type players.
As for the rest, the Thomson twins range from superstars (low probability) to busts (more likely). Keyonte George is an undersized chucker, Nic Smith isn't a PG and seems injury prone (history + body type), and every time I watch Jarace Walker I come away unimpressed.
Wemby is the only player I'd keep no matter what, Miller is on that level on talent but his cir stances make him an extremely unlikely keeper by PATFO, and Scoot's progress has been underwhelming this year so I'd be willing to move him for the right offer.
Other than that, I'd rather trade down (say for Orlando's 2 picks, NOLA's pick + Dyson Daniels, a lower lottery pick + future unrestricted pick or promising youngster, etc) or even out. I'm not enamored with this class at all.
It's still way too early, but if I'm given the choice today, I'd take Sochan over either of them 100 times out of 100.
It was pretty evident at the time that only one of Mathurin, Daniels and Sochan would be available at 9. Also Sharpe was likely (though not surely) gone. No major surprises.
Oh, definitely. Four years, things could be very different. Sochan could plateau. Sharpe could turn it around, and I feel he will to some degree. Dyson Daniels has G-League disease right now but can definitely develop.
What would you say about trading out and trying the compete next season? We would still have additional picks coming and can get more picks by trading our talents if we want to return to bottom barrel tanking
Next draft looks meh. I would trade down a bit this year, but not out. I mean, by this time last year, Wemby was already a buzz, and there is no one for 2024 generating any at all, other than the Bronny hype machine, and he won't go lottery unless someone has a stroke. The next buzz player I see is Cam Boozer in 2026, absolutely crushing the same compe ion that the 20 YO Thompsons are just drifting through, at FIFTEEN, and we have an unprotected swap from the DJ trade, plus other possible picks depending on what conveys and when between now and then.
Is next draft as ty as this one?
Anyone feel Emoni Bates has played himself back into the late 1st or early 2nd?
Possibly, but he sucks. He's heliocentric, inefficient, and a terrible defender. Counting stats, especially raw ppg, define very little. The worst mistake you can make in player eval is holding onto HS rankings.
He's not a good college player, so I'm not sure where you're drawing this conclusion.
Isnt? Everyone on earth heliocentric whether you believe it or not? Is this a funny way of saying ball dominant chucker? Or is the true center of the universe actually the primordial void that the universe bubbled uup from and will pop back into?
Ball dominant, and virtually a non factor without it in their hands. Also known as high friction. Should not be paired with another heliocentric. You MUST build around such a player, and if they don't pop as a superstar, you're team is ed.
I like Nick Smith too, despite of his poor year from a statistical standpoint.
He hasn't been fully healthy all year long, never got into a rhythm but despite all that he has shown a mature and modern type of game - great movement without the ball, good handles, a good floater, great looking shot - everything you need in a modern combo guard. This is why I'm willing to burn the tape from his poor games and believe in his upside. Drafting him anywhere past the first two picks is fine by me. I see him as a Maxey type with the additional upside of being the primary ballhandler, not just a typical combo.
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