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    On to more important discussions: who will be the Spurs rep at the lottery. We need luck but we also can’t send someone like Timmy bc lottery groveling is beneath him. I’d say Robert Horry bc he’s big shot, but he’s got that negative energy. Who can we trust with this important but demeaning assignment?
    Big shot Bob if I trusted his allegiance to the Spurs. But I think we're probab3rd on his list behind the Lakers and Rockets for loyalty to the brand.

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    Yes, but weíre discussing draft tracks. You canít be drafted from the NCAA, wind up in the gleague, and be drafted again from there. I donít hate the gleague, but I do hate it as a draft prep platform. The Ignite, the primary draft conduit, coach and teach nothing. Itís only fractionally better than Overtime Elite.
    I'm discussing which is better the NCAA or the Gleague.

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    I doubt in the context of one and drones college matters much more. You really have two hit on right coaches, right opponents etc. Given the spurs have twice picked college underclassmen playing bench roles i dont know how much college coaching helps.

    Not that the G league is all that. Moral of the story is drafting 19yr olds sucks

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    I'm discussing which is better the NCAA or the Gleague.
    That's a different discussion, as this is a draft thread. We're discussion draft preparation and player tracks.

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    your MLK meme is among the dumbest most offensive things I've ever seen posted on this godforsaken board.

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    Don't care what meme you post and where. Just be prepared to be called out on it especially if it's ignorance preceeds it and rivals its inflammatory nature.

    In the case of your MLK nonsense, there's ample evidence of the idiocy contained in it. Decades, even centuries long irrefutable evidence of unequal opportunities to education, housing, employment, networking, etc and the inability to have generational wealth passed on as is common in white populations. All I'm saying is educate yourself bro. You'd be embarrassed yourself if you did learn why it's sooo off-base.

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    You’re right up there as one of the biggest pieces of here.

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    Tankathon has rolled out a new mock draft. Nothing doing at this point, of course, but worth looking at.

    Their top 5 is filled out with the Thompsons, although I think they've always had them that high. The rest of the top ten are Jarace and Cam and then Black, Gradey, Hendricks. I pretty much agree those are the top 10 right now. I do think Jordan Hawkins will end up in the lottery. Things are up in the air at 11 on but they usually are.

    https://www.tankathon.com/mock_draft

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    Tankathon has rolled out a new mock draft. Nothing doing at this point, of course, but worth looking at.

    Their top 5 is filled out with the Thompsons, although I think they've always had them that high. The rest of the top ten are Jarace and Cam and then Black, Gradey, Hendricks. I pretty much agree those are the top 10 right now. I do think Jordan Hawkins will end up in the lottery. Things are up in the air at 11 on but they usually are.

    https://www.tankathon.com/mock_draft
    Dean has switched from a web page to a Substack. He put out a big board of 16 prospects last week. Definitely marches to his own drummer.

    https://deanondraft.substack.com/p/sweet-16-big-board

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    Dean has switched from a web page to a Substack. He put out a big board of 16 prospects last week. Definitely marches to his own drummer.

    https://deanondraft.substack.com/p/sweet-16-big-board
    Dean About Wemby:

    "I would definitely take him behind Luka Doncic. If healthy Joel Embiid, Jaren Jackson Jr., or Evan Mobley were in this draft, it would be a tough decision who to take."...

    Hum...

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    Dean About Wemby:

    "I would definitely take him behind Luka Doncic. If healthy Joel Embiid, Jaren Jackson Jr., or Evan Mobley were in this draft, it would be a tough decision who to take."...

    Hum...
    I'd probably only pick Mobley, because he is elite two way and had no health issues.

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    Dean About Wemby:

    "I would definitely take him behind Luka Doncic. If healthy Joel Embiid, Jaren Jackson Jr., or Evan Mobley were in this draft, it would be a tough decision who to take."...

    Hum...
    Don't forget this part...

    But regardless, there isn’t much to say negative about Wemby outside of the injury concerns and he has good odds of becoming a perennial all-star and hall of famer if he stays healthy.

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    Yeah, pretty much the "G-League is better" guys don't really understand what is being discussed. They constantly focus on individual talent but don't really see what compe ive basketball actually is. I'll warrant they haven't even watched any G-League itself, either, much less actually played beyond bumping around the local Y once or twice.

    It's okay. A player can get better in the G-League, but it doesn't teach game-time situations and overall flow of the game, how to make teammates better or react to difficult situations. I don't think David Robinson or Tim Duncan become the players they were while in the G-League. They had to play college.
    I agree with this, however that NCAAB no longer exists. If you have NBA talent, you're on a one-and-done path, not the 4-year development path that Tim and David had. That's a big difference.

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    Lol, I don't give a about what some heel NBA guy says about the NCAA. It's not a question about 'what's entertaining'. You and Fox are thinking like an ESPN-fed drone. Some of the stupidest rationales ever -- IT'S UHHHH ENTERTAININ'.

    That's not the point. Fox even had a year of Kentucky or whatever, which helped him. He's too stupid to realize what he's talking about. I'll direct you again to Duncan and Robinson. They played for frankly underwhelming college programs, but thereby learned to elevate their teammates, play with their back against the wall, play against teams that were gameplanning for them, and against hostile arenas and teams that absolutely wanted to beat them, badly.

    That doesn't happen in your glorified, hallowed, puff G-League, where defense doesn't happen. Where guys move up and down the court working on individual skills. Where coaching barely happens.

    I get it. It's hard to understand what's going on and what's being discussed. It's like watching guys lift weights at Gold's Gym and thinking you're watching highly coordinated gymnasts or something.

    Thinking Fox is someone to listen to on this. Get real.
    Which lottery picks these days are like Duncan and Robinson, who learned how to play over four years of NCAA basketball?

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    This is the original comment that spurred this conversation. It wasn't about which was better for NBA prep, it was about which compe ion was tougher.

    I think the NBA G league is tougher compe ion than what he would have faced in in college, and the B athleticism grade is ridiculous youíre reaching on that. He comes into the NBA and is probably the 2nd most athletic guard after Ja Morant.

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    Which lottery picks these days are like Duncan and Robinson, who learned how to play over four years of NCAA basketball?
    ... Which is why we get so few players out of the draft who are really ready to play. And when they are, sort of, ready to play, they just use overpowering athleticism and get cheapo stinko Adam Silver calls to bail them out. There's a reason almost all the good young players in the NBA right now are foreigners and the rest are just one-on-one merchants.

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    Dean has switched from a web page to a Substack. He put out a big board of 16 prospects last week. Definitely marches to his own drummer.

    https://deanondraft.substack.com/p/sweet-16-big-board
    Well, he sure loves the Duke big men. I notice he barely uses any statistical breakdown, usually his thing. He's just winging it.

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    This is the original comment that spurred this conversation. It wasn't about which was better for NBA prep, it was about which compe ion was tougher.
    Would you mean some people try to derail the convo when they realize they're on the wrong path?

    Tougher compe ion in a vacuum is exactly what I and other people have been commenting. Yet, some patronizing other(s) try to basically explain that you don't understand what's been discussing ,you don't know BB, and they don't play BB in The G league...

    Pointless.
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    Well, he sure loves the Duke big men. I notice he barely uses any statistical breakdown, usually his thing. He's just winging it.
    He didnít do it in this piece, but heís actually an analytics guy, a bettor who turned his math into draft analysis, mostly through statistical comparisons.

    He does make me laugh sometimes, though. Like, last year, in his final big board,he had Branham tied at 21 with EJ Liddell, and Blake at 26. Yet, he threw brickbats at the Spurs for picking them at almost exactly those spots In his post draft. He loved Sochan, had him at like 4 or 5. He was also a big SengŁn guy in 2021, but in another weirdness, completely ignored his turnstile defense while harshly grading other players for that same thing.

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    Dean, like any other human being, has his share of hits and misses, but is a fun additional data point. Didn't have Jalen Williams on his big board at all, IIRC, and panned OKC for picking him, but was higher than the market on DJM (#13 overall).

    Of note, he did have Bassey (#26) rated over other Spurs Weiskamp (#29), Champagnie (#35), Primo (#49) and Mamu (rated as a "Longshot").

    It's fun to go back and read some of his big boards because it really hammers home what a crap shoot the draft can be. Anyone remember Dragan Bender?

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    Im legit terrified out of anyone outside of Wemby lol. I would be thrilled with Scoot or Miller having said that, but it’s not like I think they are cant miss at the moment.

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    Dean, like any other human being, has his share of hits and misses, but is a fun additional data point. Didn't have Jalen Williams on his big board at all, IIRC, and panned OKC for picking him, but was higher than the market on DJM (#13 overall).

    Of note, he did have Bassey (#26) rated over other Spurs Weiskamp (#29), Champagnie (#35), Primo (#49) and Mamu (rated as a "Longshot").

    It's fun to go back and read some of his big boards because it really hammers home what a crap shoot the draft can be. Anyone remember Dragan Bender?
    Ya - drafting is so insanely hard lol. Im amazed at how the Spurs have been so constantly good for so long at it. I basically hate every single player in every draft because it’s hard to see things (for me at least)

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    Ya - drafting is so insanely hard lol. Im amazed at how the Spurs have been so constantly good for so long at it. I basically hate every single player in every draft because it’s hard to see things (for me at least)
    Yeah I think we continually discount how good the Spurs are this because of misses like Luka and Primo. But getting 3 guys on rookie extensions from pick #29 (DJ, Derrick, KJ) is pretty damn impressive in its own right (and it's not like any of them were bad extensions).

    I'm excited for the next update of this, I'm sure we're going to take a big hit because of Primo: https://braydengerrard.shinyapps.io/Draft_Scores/

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    How would we do with the Cavinder Twins as a 2nd round picks and bringing back Becky?

    Cavinder twins and Miami suffer March Madness heartache as LSU win (msn.com)

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    Yeah I think we continually discount how good the Spurs are this because of misses like Luka and Primo. But getting 3 guys on rookie extensions from pick #29 (DJ, Derrick, KJ) is pretty damn impressive in its own right (and it's not like any of them were bad extensions).

    I'm excited for the next update of this, I'm sure we're going to take a big hit because of Primo: https://braydengerrard.shinyapps.io/Draft_Scores/
    Primo has to be an incomplete as a score. We don't know how he'd advance as a basketball player. It's like Jay Williams or something - he crashed a motorcycle, ended his career. Doesn't make it a bad pick at the time. We aren't Merlin the magician living backward in time.

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