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when you put it that way good point
okay moving Jarace Walker ahead of Cam Whitmore on my first after Wemby want list
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Everything Ariel mentions hits on why I am flummoxed by putting Whitmore so high. His physical profile is great. Defense? Great. The rest? He's Keldon Johnson. We already see where KJ isn't the greatest fit in the Spurs' motion offense. He can handle the hand-offs and action on the perimeter, but if he's driving, it's to the rim. There's no sophistication to how he sees the floor. And Cam Whitmore projects to be even worse.
Here are Cam's stats vs. Keldon's coming out of college. Keldon was a little bit older as a freshman. Whitmore wins most percentage stats, but not by a ton. Keldon wins - again, coming out of college - almost all the advanced stats. Including the defensive stats. (https://www.tankathon.com/players/co...keldon-johnson)
I don't really understand drafting essentially the same player, who is a finisher rather than a circulator (much less both) and who we got with the #29 pick last time. And we want to use a top 5 pick for him? I don't get it.
when you put it that way good point
okay moving Jarace Walker ahead of Cam Whitmore on my first after Wemby want list
Interesting perspective, and kind of along the same lines of Black (we’re going to use a top 10 pick to get a guy who is a similar player to the guy we picked at 29 and just traded for pick 24?). But like with Black, maybe the difference with Cam is all in the upside. With KJ, we know we don’t have an all-star caliber player. With Cam, are there signs to point to him potentially being one?
It's all about potential with a lot of these guys going into the draft you would like for a top 5 guy though to be Elite or Great in at least one part of there game ie...Rebounder/shooter/shot blocker/3 ball. Every player has negatives heck even Wemb has negatives but you got to look at potential and hopefully your scouting department can get you the right player to draft.
It's a fair point about Black/White. But we would still have White if he was younger and not so expensive. He was drafted as an older player, did well, earned a contract, and the team gave it to him knowing they didn't want to pay him, so they moved him. He's much better in the Spurs' system than Keldon is, although the system does need finishers.
Anthony Black is, no joking, ten years younger than White. At the point of their respective drafts, Black will be 3 1/2 years younger than White was. It's hard to get a comparison with stats and so on, as White was playing juco his freshman year. Black is bigger, however, and it's not hard to imagine he could be better by the time he's 23.
I don't think White dropped for anything so much as age. I don't think the Spurs moved him so much as age and salary. I do think both are the type of player a motion offense system needs.
Great points, and obviously if we had been in a space of contending, we wouldn't have been looking to trade Derrick, so replacing key players with younger/cheaper versions of themselves in and of itself is not at all bad business.
Until we draft a franchise player best thing is draft best player and develop them and trade for picks and keep doing that until we get that player.
if we cant draft a franchise player, then trade for one or sign one with our cap
spurs really need a +25ppg scorer on the team...
You can hit Leonard Like player or Rozier.
Where would Brandon Miller go if he were in last year’s draft? Ahead of Jabari Smith? Chet Holmgren? Paolo Banchero?
Where Brandon would go and where Brandon should go would be different questions because if there was a re-draft of last year, things would look different and even more significantly different as the years go by.
You can still tackle the question, by trying to answer it disregarding the knowledge of each prospect we got from this season (Chet's injury, Jabari Smith's struggles, etc.). And though it depends on the teams picking, I think meshing this class and the past one could go something along these lines:
1) Wembanyama (indisputably)
2) Banchero (most likely)
3) Chet (could rise to 2)
4) Scoot (very dependent on team picking here... could go 3-6)
5) Jabari Smith Jr (as perceived previous to past season... remember there was talk about him going no. 1)
6) Brandon Miller (given his tournament struggles, otherwise he'd go higher)
7) Jaden Ivey
Then there's a bunch of guys who could switch places depending on the philosophy of the team picking. From Keegan Murray or Mathurin (more risk averse) to Amen Thompson or Shaedon Sharpe (for gambles).
Roughly, I think that could be a reasonable hypothetical output.
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Spurs might already have two 25 ppg scorers on the team.
I'd say 7 or 8...most likely 7 to Portland
Miles Bridges is the more apt comparison because of their athleticism.
Should be under strong consider if they fall outside of the top 3. Positional size at a premium position(s), athleticism, strength and a conceivable path to relatively efficient, volume scoring (even if it is as more finisher than creator) are all significant needs.
One thing I like about Cam is that you can tell he loves the game and that he hates to loose he plays with some passion that I like.
The problem with that thinking is it could be 2 to 3 years before you know you have a franchise player
If we don't see a pretty sure future All star at 2 or 3--or even a consensus Best Player Available, it seems to me that we might look into another possibility. Could we trade down for a top 15 FR plus a bottom FR and still be making a potentially good move. Too rich? How about a top 10-15 FR and a high 2R?? I'm feeling this draft isn't all that strong once you get past the Unicorn at #1
For two or three? You're ing kidding me. It would have to be at LEAST a top 5 plus another mid FRP. The value in FRPs go off a cliff after 5, in the aggregate.
Kinda get Mario Chalmers vibes from Jordan Hawkins
... is that good?
Haha I mean Chalmers won at every level and hit ice cold shots
I always felt like what made those heat teams so good was outside the big 3 guys like battier and Miller etc
I think the only two teams that could do that would be Utah and Orlando and we know Ainge ain't going to do that deal..Maybe Houston would do it if we get two and they get 4th and they really really want Henderson or Amen then they would give us there 4th pick and probably 18 OR 19 pick
A GM would have to have some big balls to be able to trade out of the second pick though - has anyone done that?
If the Spurs trade down in an hypothetical, both (or more) first round picks don't have to be in this draft. They could trade down a few spots or whatever and accept future draft capital.
For example, Dallas traded Trae Young and a future protected 1st (1-5) for Luca Doncic. They were taken 3rd and 5th. Of course no one here is as good as Doncic is, but it's how teams value players.
True, and I suppose you could say the same about the spurs with guys like Bowen, Horry or Boris... You need these guys.
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