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    I'd be fine with trading out of the #6 or 7 spot as well. But I'm also not in the front office, so my feelings on the draft don't really matter. Spurs may be superhigh on a Thompson at #6 and want to take him, my feeling about the draft will be the same though, and I'll put my faith in the Spurs FO to once again develop a gem.
    Sure, I'm just pointing out that's not an excuse for drafting a bust high. You (as in anyone) can always sell, even if at a discount.

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    That’s a great comp….and if Gordon would have embraced winning ball earlier and his playmaking chops alongside his defense, he would have been viewed as even better. We will see, I trust the Spurs drafting and program. I’m every bit as worried about all prospects after Wemby/Scoot (even Miller who I like has me worried some) but I personally did see a few truly wow moments from the twins (not that it’s enough to draft them, but I did see special as a ceiling at least even if unlikely)
    Aaron Gordon played NCAA ball, and was a year younger than the Thompsons when he was drafted. They’re TWENTY.

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    Sure, I'm just pointing out that's not an excuse for drafting a bust high. You (as in anyone) can always sell, even if at a discount.
    For sure. All of fans have our desired ways this will turn out, but at the end of the day we're all just people on a message board - not NBA Scouts - so at the end of the day I'll be curious to see how the Spurs make it work. I still believe in their track record, no matter how much consternation over not picking Sengun might occur on this website.

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    Aaron Gordon played NCAA ball, and was a year younger than the Thompsons when he was drafted. Theyíre TWENTY.
    So? Iím not going go obsess over a year difference. I mean, your points are valid age aside. Just that one year difference doesnít mean much to me in this overall context.

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    They’re older than:
    Sochan
    Malaki
    Blake
    Dominic

    They’re TWENTY, and they’ve never played above HS level ball. It is a big deal, because they’re aging, but not improving. At the draft, they will be the same age as our 2022 draft class, who all will have one year of NCAA experience and one year of NBA experience. They’re literally two years behind in their development. And no, you can’t catch up.

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    They’re older than:
    Sochan
    Malaki
    Blake
    Dominic

    They’re TWENTY, and they’ve never played above HS level ball. It is a big deal, because they’re aging, but not improving. At the draft, they will be the same age as our 2022 draft class, who all will have one year of NCAA experience and one year of NBA experience. They’re literally two years behind in their development. And no, you can’t catch up.
    Damn. That's solid.

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    Hypothetical:

    If DET landed pick 2 and SA landed pick 3. Would y’all trade Pick 3 (Brandon Miller let’s presume) for Jaden Ivey + an unprotected 1st from DET?

    So DET lands Scoot and Brandon Miller

    SA trades Miller for Ivey + an extra first

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    Hypothetical:

    If DET landed pick 2 and SA landed pick 3. Would y’all trade Pick 3 (Brandon Miller let’s presume) for Jaden Ivey + an unprotected 1st from DET?

    So DET lands Scoot and Brandon Miller

    SA trades Miller for Ivey + an extra first
    No. I’d trade back and pick Black or Hendricks, plus a pick.

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    No. I’d trade back and pick Black or Hendricks, plus a pick.
    I personally like Ivey better than any PG in this draft other than Scoot. So I take it you just like Black/Hendricks better than Ivey but have no issue giving up Miler for a PG + pick right?

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    I personally like Ivey better than any PG in this draft other than Scoot. So I take it you just like Black/Hendricks better than Ivey but have no issue giving up Miler for a PG + pick right?
    It’s a wing player league. A wing or forward is your best chance to develop a star player. Fewer paths for a small guard, and they all involve being a knockdown shooter and an uber athlete. Fewer players they can defend, too.

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    Hypothetical:

    If DET landed pick 2 and SA landed pick 3. Would y’all trade Pick 3 (Brandon Miller let’s presume) for Jaden Ivey + an unprotected 1st from DET?

    So DET lands Scoot and Brandon Miller

    SA trades Miller for Ivey + an extra first
    Yes

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    No. I’d trade back and pick Black or Hendricks, plus a pick.
    Ivey is better than Black

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    Ivey is better than Black
    The question is he better than Miller?

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    Hypothetical:

    If DET landed pick 2 and SA landed pick 3. Would y’all trade Pick 3 (Brandon Miller let’s presume) for Jaden Ivey + an unprotected 1st from DET?

    So DET lands Scoot and Brandon Miller

    SA trades Miller for Ivey + an extra first
    I wouldn't, but if I could trade back for the Orlando + the Chicago pick I would.

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    I think I rank it like this in that scenario:

    1) Do the trade for Ivey. If we don’t land Wemby or Scoot, I value getting someone who could be a lead guard and I like Ivey

    2) Draft Brandon Miller

    3) Trade back for 2 players in this draft.

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    Ivey and Blake Wesley were close growing up together and are really similar players. Their freshman stats in college are really, really similar.

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    Ivey and Blake Wesley were close growing up together and are really similar players. Their freshman stats in college are really, really similar.
    Ivey is playing incredible and Blake looks like he’s questionable to be in the league (and I like Blake)…Ivey, playing like he has been, is looking very exciting to me

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    ORL has 26 and 27 FRPs it looks like, either would work for me:

    I'd swap a San Antonio 2 or 3 selection to ORL for their 7, plus say their 26 FRP unprotected, and maybe tack on a 27 2RP.

    Magic get to jump for Brandon Miller or maybe Scoot to finish off the roster instead of log jamming two mediocre picks around 7-11, should that interest them. Spurs get Hendricks or Black at 7 at a cheaper pay scale plus a future FRP and 2RP. Magic get to keep the CHI pick as well which might sweeten the appearance of the deal in ORLs eyes. That can be a late net for any dream fallers or a swing pick to gamble on since you already picked a top shelf talent at 2 or 3.

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    no I’m not allowing ORL to build their team when SA needs best talent available- especially when them building their team makes their pick much weaker for SA

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    Ivey is playing incredible and Blake looks like he’s questionable to be in the league (and I like Blake)…Ivey, playing like he has been, is looking very exciting to me
    Of course Ivey looks better now, lol. (And 'playing incredible' is overselling him a bit.) Point is they were close to the same player when correcting for age/development.

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    ORL has 26 and 27 FRPs it looks like, either would work for me:

    I'd swap a San Antonio 2 or 3 selection to ORL for their 7, plus say their 26 FRP unprotected, and maybe tack on a 27 2RP.

    Magic get to jump for Brandon Miller or maybe Scoot to finish off the roster instead of log jamming two mediocre picks around 7-11, should that interest them. Spurs get Hendricks or Black at 7 at a cheaper pay scale plus a future FRP and 2RP. Magic get to keep the CHI pick as well which might sweeten the appearance of the deal in ORLs eyes. That can be a late net for any dream fallers or a swing pick to gamble on since you already picked a top shelf talent at 2 or 3.
    Orlando also has Chicagos pick, as long as itís outside the top 4. Iíd want that, and not the late 20s picks.

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    ORL has 26 and 27 FRPs it looks like, either would work for me:

    I'd swap a San Antonio 2 or 3 selection to ORL for their 7, plus say their 26 FRP unprotected, and maybe tack on a 27 2RP.

    Magic get to jump for Brandon Miller or maybe Scoot to finish off the roster instead of log jamming two mediocre picks around 7-11, should that interest them. Spurs get Hendricks or Black at 7 at a cheaper pay scale plus a future FRP and 2RP. Magic get to keep the CHI pick as well which might sweeten the appearance of the deal in ORLs eyes. That can be a late net for any dream fallers or a swing pick to gamble on since you already picked a top shelf talent at 2 or 3.
    My thinking, too. I don't believe in Scoot or Miller enough. Scoot may be good, but he's yadda yadda high usage and only pretty promising. Beyond Miller's at ude, his tournament was shocking, and not just his last game, the whole thing. I'd absolutely get future capital and take a player who may be just as good, a better fit, and cheaper.

    People just fall in love with hype.

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    It's not going to happen, but failing to get Wemby, I'd love to swap Scoot or Miller for Orlando's picks and take any of these two: Black, Gradey, Hendricks.

    Very little doubt in my mind you're coming out with the better basket.

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    My main motivation would be to get out of the 2-5 box. I like the guys there but I'm just not sure they are worth such premium selection range. give me #1/wemby or give me 6/7 (or give me a slick trade out from 2-3). I like at least one guy in that range of ORLs potential odds-best #7 let alone 3-4 that would be appropriate for the pay scale talent ratio imho if I'm front office. Could take Black, Hendricks, Whitmore, Walker, one of which would at least still be there at 7 imho.

    Meanwhile I don't really want/see a second past 7 but before 13 that would be worth it so I'd rather just punt the rest of the return trade capital value to the future and reset. Maybe if you could get Black with ORLs odds-best 7 and Hendricks with the odds-best 12 somehow (or visa-versa?), I'd go for that enthusiastically. Not sure you wouldn't have to burn 7 on one or the other though and what would you take with the 12?

    Just thinking out loud obvs all highly dependent, as it stands and hypothetical. Prob will be tons of players that pull up or fall down so the landscape likely will change the relevance of such a proposal by the time draft rolls around anyway.

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    It's not going to happen, but failing to get Wemby, I'd love to swap Scoot or Miller for Orlando's picks and take any of these two: Black, Gradey, Hendricks.

    Very little doubt in my mind you're coming out with the better basket.
    I've cooled down on Gradey . I think he hasn't proven he should go 10 spots ahead from the rest of the top shooters in the class (Hawkins, Jett Howard), considering his defensive struggles. I'm only trading down from 2/3 for 2 of Cam Whitmore, Anthony Black and Taylor Hendricks. Or one of them plus a projected VERY good future pick or project. Also I'd consider something like Trey Murphy, Dyson Daniels + Pelicans pick (depending on where it lands).

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