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No, one or some of those forwards may be really good. You just have to be able to project past what they are to what they can be. They’re 19 and raw as . You don’t get finished products in the draft these days.
Really interesting debate between Hendricks and Walker.
I have Hendricks as my second choice with those 6-7 picks and then i have a big group with withmore, ausar, george and maybe black.
as for jarace and taylor both are versatile defensively ( maybe jarace is more ready on D and a better rebounder now), both can shoot but hendricks is more of a natural shooter, jarace is a better passer but both can create a little bit even if they need some work driving to the hoop but hendricks looks to have a higher ceilling.
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No, one or some of those forwards may be really good. You just have to be able to project past what they are to what they can be. They’re 19 and raw as . You don’t get finished products in the draft these days.
Yeah, it's pretty much mass suicide. Cam Whitmore really let us down.
All of the guys mentioned are pretty solid but not terribly special compared to Wemby who is a generational talent. If Wemby wasn't in this draft, would the at udes about these players change ?
Someone on nba_draft on Reddit posted an interesting Jordan Hawkins stat:
Jordan Hawkins is the only high major player listed at 6'5" or taller to attempt 15 3s per 100 possessions and draw a 30%+ FT rate over the last 10 years.
Basically, he gets to the line a lot for someone taking so many threes. Many of those must be fouls while attempting, I suppose. His free throw rate is very high. Both his and Black's are higher than any of the PF prospects.
Black's is astounding at .578. That's one of the reasons I'm so bullish.
Agree. It's a favorite stat of mine from this draft class. I'm sure I've mentioned another - Kobe Bufkin makes over .700 of his shot attempts going to the rim, an insane percentage for a guard.
But creating fouls is a big boost, esp in the NBA today. Black is like SGA where he knows how to draw contact and then make it look like he's been murdered with an axe. It's both staying aloft, taking contact, and managing an attempt while contorting the body. Something Malaki is not good at. It's hard to learn how to draw fouls.
It’s the hair.
Jalen Hood-Schifino
I like Hawkins more. Hawkins has NBA quickness on his release.
Spurs need to go after that Utah 16th pick in a trade and get Jalen Hood-Shifino.
Maybe even get lucky and get Hawkins there but most likely he'll be gone by 16.
Andre Jackson as a defensive wing player off the bench would be a solid pick at 32/33.
All Hawkins does is shoot. Think of him as a 6’5” Duncan Robinson. When his shot cooled with increased defensive attention, he became one of the worst contracts in the league.
His stat area is no better. Everything is black, average, or red, bad.Jalen Hood-Schifino
He's more like Ray Allen than Duncan Robinson. Watching both of them he has better and smoother mechanics on his shot than Duncan Robinson.
Hawkins is better defensively too. He had 18 blocks this year and is quicker. No where near the same player.
Last edited by rascal; 04-30-2023 at 09:02 PM.
I'd definitely pick up Hawkins if somehow the Spurs get a draft pick for nothing.
Hood-Schifino I'd stay away from. There are things I like about him and I think he'll be fine, but I wouldn't spend draft capital on him.
I'm going to list my (realistic) targets per range:
4-7: Cam Whitmore, Taylor Hendricks, Anthony Black. All guys with solid floors and good potential (above average starter to all star range).
Late lottery(11-14): Keyonte George. I really don't like undersized and inefficient combo guards that don't stand out athletically, which is why he was never an option for our top pick, but he's a skilled guy who can create for himself and others, pass and shoot. If he hits his ceiling he's got the chance to be a first/second option on offense, if he doesn't he's at least a 6th man / scorer off the bench.
Early 20s (or trade up from our 2nd rounder/s): Dariq Whitehead: he's got good size (6'6") and better athleticism than he's given credit for (because he's coming off from injuries), can really score from all levels but also handle the ball and pass some. He's been overlooked mostly as he didn't meet expectations since his role at Duke didn't call for him to do much more than being a spot up shooter (a lot like AJ Griffin) but his repertoire extends beyond that and whoever can see past that is taking a guy who has a legit potential to climb up 10/15 spots in a redraft.
Late first rounders: Dereck Lively (very long center with great defensive instincts and potential as a rim protector, though also very limited offensively), Bilal Coulibaly (very young and athletic 2/3 wing with all around potential, who needs to work on his shot), Rayan Rupert (great 2/3 defensive prospect with freakishly long arms and great instincts, good ballhandler and creator and can get to the basket, but also an awful shooter).
32/33 (many will be gone by our pick, but take whomever falls): Colby Jones, Rayan Rupert, Bilal Coulibaly, Noah Clowney, Strawther, Jaime Jaquez
44: James Nnaji, Adem Bona, Judah Mintz
Ray Allen is going overboard, but I do agree he's more complete than Duncan Robinson and his ability to shoot in motion and do it lightning fast makes him a very intriguing prospect.
UConn used to turn out really good guards and forwards. Ray Allen, Ben Gordon, Rudy Gay, Caron Butler, Richard Hamilton. More recently they turned out... James Bouknight.
Kemba Walker, Clifford Robinson
Last edited by rascal; 05-01-2023 at 04:59 AM.
Clifford Robinson was 33 years ago. His point was that UC hasn’t produced much in the way of shooters LATELY.
Under Calhoun they seemed to churn out a good number in a span, like how Lute Olsen used to churn out good guards at Arizona.
Reminder that a 14% chance at Wembanyama means an 86% that we don’t get Wembanyama. In fact, we’re almost twice as likely to get pick #6 as pick #1.
The expected value of our draft pick is 4.1. So at this point, our best guess of where the Spurs will end up picking in the draft is #4.
spurs were supposed to get ron mercer, too. (for the record, i'm just letting the chips fall where they may, so anything from 1-7.)
Yes. Just don't expect to get Wembanyama. I just don't want him to go to OKC or Dallas or Houston and a couple others. We need to plan and expect to get somewhere around #4.
That's the average pick if you run the lottery a large enough number of times, not the most likely spot, which is 6, 5, 1, 2, 3, 4, 7 (from most to least likely). So 4th is the 2nd least likely out of all possible results.
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