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    54 hours to go. Dawning on me that the last two years dreaming of VW as a Spur will likely dissolve into trading back for Gradey and another year of losing. Oy. Lighting all the candles for that #1 Tuesday night.
    Do your hopes and dreams the favor they deserve now...the Spurs have a 59.9% shot to pick 4-7. If by a 14% miracle we get him, then it'll be icing on the cake.

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    Gotcha... based on known performance in their rookie years, I go..

    1. Wemby
    2. Banchero
    3. Scoot
    4. Chet
    5. Mathurin
    6. Ivey
    7. Murray
    8. Miller
    9. Cam
    10. Walker
    I think you've got Scoot way over-rated Mo

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    Holy shiiiiet. Just two nights left
    And no one has yet started the "Official NBA Draft Lottery Thread."

    That's shocking!

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    And no one has yet started the "Official NBA Draft Lottery Thread."

    That's shocking!
    What's the point for a 7th pick?

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    I think you've got Scoot way over-rated Mo
    I know you do... but I see this draft much differently than people here do. We've talked it down for so long that we've created our own negative gravity towards it. I've been consistent in my view that this is the best draft talent-wise that weve seen in quite some time with two generational talents at the top and I've seen nothing or no argument to give me any pause in my evaluation.

    As for Scoot, I'll even say that I think he'll have a better career than Paolo when it's all said and done (and I love Paolo and had him #1 last year when everyone had him at #3 to Houston before Orlando made a draft day pivot). I'm very high on him....

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    I know you do... but I see this draft much differently than people here do. We've talked it down for so long that we've created our own negative gravity towards it. I've been consistent in my view that this is the best draft talent-wise that weve seen in quite some time with two generational talents at the top and I've seen nothing or no argument to give me any pause in my evaluation.

    As for Scoot, I'll even say that I think he'll have a better career than Paolo when it's all said and done (and I love Paolo and had him #1 last year when everyone had him at #3 to Houston before Orlando made a draft day pivot). I'm very high on him....
    You and Dejounte have been consistent, I’ll give you that. I just hate the archtype. Unless your name is Steph Curry, little guys in this league struggle to take their teams deep in the playoffs, and to stay healthy.

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    I know you do... but I see this draft much differently than people here do. We've talked it down for so long that we've created our own negative gravity towards it. I've been consistent in my view that this is the best draft talent-wise that weve seen in quite some time with two generational talents at the top and I've seen nothing or no argument to give me any pause in my evaluation.

    As for Scoot, I'll even say that I think he'll have a better career than Paolo when it's all said and done (and I love Paolo and had him #1 last year when everyone had him at #3 to Houston before Orlando made a draft day pivot). I'm very high on him....
    I respect your take. Not looking down my nose at you, just for the record. Just not seeing the same things as you. Then again few to none see them my way. It's what makes this lots of fun.

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    I respect your take. Not looking down my nose at you, just for the record. Just not seeing the same things as you. Then again few to none see them my way. It's what makes this lots of fun.
    I agree... I take this pretty laid back... You and Ex have a different take for different reasons and I respect it and both of your thought processes coming to those conclusions too. Y'all may be right and if you are I'm sure I'll hear about it in a few years... lol...

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    If everybody thought the same it'd be really boring. I know rascal catches a lot of flack for his fixation on athleticism, exstatic with his open dislike for Scoot, offset with his love affaire with Coulibaly, but that keeps the discussion going and interesting. Personally I'm higher on Cam Whitmore than most people on the board, so it'll be fun to look back on this a year from now.

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    Love the various takes here and love the ability to discuss that respectfully. Agree that the variety of takes make this forum a resource and helps me look at the situation from every angle in due diligence.

    Everyone regardless of takes has provided very illuminating presentations even if I don't view it that way or agree it helps shape what could happen or possible options.

    Thanks to all contributors and nice work on Spurs coverage here. Been a blast looking at all the scenarios and reading all the considerations. I feel very informed and it's been super entertaining.

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    This kid, Bobi Klintman, a guy from Sweden who didn't do much at Wake Forest last year, has pulled out of the draft combine, with speculation that he has a promise. A couple draft boards have him at places like 15 and 22. It's wild how teams draft on physical profile and a hint of basketball skill nowadays.

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    This kid, Bobi Klintman, a guy from Sweden who didn't do much at Wake Forest last year, has pulled out of the draft combine, with speculation that he has a promise. A couple draft boards have him at places like 15 and 22. It's wild how teams draft on physical profile and a hint of basketball skill nowadays.
    Uh, Thompson Twins?

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    This kid, Bobi Klintman, a guy from Sweden who didn't do much at Wake Forest last year, has pulled out of the draft combine, with speculation that he has a promise. A couple draft boards have him at places like 15 and 22. It's wild how teams draft on physical profile and a hint of basketball skill nowadays.
    never heard his name since two weeks ago





    other than that, i have a hard time seeing this guy out of the top 3-4


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    I guess the 20-30 range is where you take swings at players, but there sure seem to be a lot of guys of this type, Ziaire Williams, Patrick Baldwin types who sucked in college but were taken anyway and then sucked in the NBA, but then on occasion you get a Trey Murphy, who had real issues in the NCAA but turned out great. Klintman is like the Ousmane Dieng of this draft class.

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    You and Dejounte have been consistent, I’ll give you that. I just hate the archtype. Unless your name is Steph Curry, little guys in this league struggle to take their teams deep in the playoffs, and to stay healthy.
    Why does Scoot have to be the guy to take a team to the finals.

    Scoot may not even end up the best player on his team but he could be a valuable piece to a championship build.

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    good to see black jumping that high cause the no step vertical and the 3/4 sprint were a little bit average

    a lot of really interestings things with those combine athletic tests
    Last edited by duncan2150; 05-15-2023 at 02:08 PM.

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    Why does Scoot have to be the guy to take a team to the finals.

    Scoot may not even end up the best player on his team but he could be a valuable piece to a championship build.
    Posters are talking about him as a franchise guy, and that's what franchise guys do. If you don't believe he can, there are plenty of players a bit further back and cheaper that can be valuable pieces on a championship team. Trade back, pick up a future asset, and draft one of them. If you don't understand, just call the Sacto or GS GMs and ask them how difficult it is when you whiff on a recent #2 pick and then have to dump them. You get next to nothing.

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    happy to see black jumping that high cause the no step vertical and the 3/4 sprint were a little bit average

    a lot of really interestings things with those combine athletic tests
    Black can get up there when he's moving. He's not that fast, but is pretty quick in changing directions (defense) and takes up space due to size/length. He's like an actually athletic Slomo.

    Tankathon has him at 6 now, btw.

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    I seem to recall EJ Liddell topping the vertical ranks at last years combine

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    whatever we do, let's make sure we put all our stock into all these scouting reports, like this gem from the past:

    https://bleacherreport.com/articles/...eport-and-more

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    Posters are talking about him as a franchise guy, and that's what franchise guys do. If you don't believe he can, there are plenty of players a bit further back and cheaper that can be valuable pieces on a championship team. Trade back, pick up a future asset, and draft one of them. If you don't understand, just call the Sacto or GS GMs and ask them how difficult it is when you whiff on a recent #2 pick and then have to dump them. You get next to nothing.
    Makes sense in theory but sounds like Sacto should have just picked Luka. So I agree we have to draft well. But trading back is a very low chance. So if you have #2 and can’t trade out…you want to pick Taylor Hendricks?

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    Makes sense in theory but sounds like Sacto should have just picked Luka. So I agree we have to draft well. But trading back is a very low chance. So if you have #2 and can’t trade out…you want to pick Taylor Hendricks?
    Sacto was probably a bad example. They've been hapless in the draft forever.

    Dallas traded back and got Luka. In fact, they traded the little, inefficient, no D chucker from THAT draft.

    I think the odds of having #2 and not being able to trade back are like 0.00000000001, if every other NBA GM suddenly has a stroke and is incapacitated. Someone is going to want it, if not for Scoot, then for Miller.

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    Dallas traded back and got Luka. In fact, they traded the little, inefficient, no D chucker from THAT draft.
    Dallas traded up, not down. They got #3 (Luka) for #5 (Trae) + future unprotected 1st (came out #10 and was used on Cam Reddish).
    When they did trade up was for Dirk. They had #6 (Robert Tractor Traylor) and traded down with Milwaukee for #9 (Dirk) + #19 (Pat Garrity), the latter was subsequently sent to Phoenix in a package for Nash. So trading down not only they got the best player, but also a piece they used for Nash. Not bad at all...

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    Sacto was probably a bad example. They've been hapless in the draft forever.

    Dallas traded back and got Luka. In fact, they traded the little, inefficient, no D chucker from THAT draft.

    I think the odds of having #2 and not being able to trade back are like 0.00000000001, if every other NBA GM suddenly has a stroke and is incapacitated. Someone is going to want it, if not for Scoot, then for Miller.
    I hear you. Iím saying I donít think the Spurs will want to do that. I think the chance is very low, and so yes there are concerns with lots of players, but they will pick someone if theyíre at 2, and Iíll be shocked if itís Hendricks.

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