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The problem is top picks are very expensive. The rookie scale is a beast.
If the Spurs get, and then want to trade down from, any pick where Scoot or Amen, and possibly Ausar, are available, they shouldn't have any problem.
The problem is top picks are very expensive. The rookie scale is a beast.
I wouldn't even want them to pick Hendricks at 2, nor Black, and I'm big fans of both.
Coach Spins, another mock that has Black at #5. It seems like that opinion is firming up and my outsize dream of trading down to get him is unlikely. Here, Spins singles out his defense saying he may be the best perimeter defensive prospect he's evaluated. That's a bit of an exaggeration to me, but his potential there is extremely good. If we have a prayer of slowing down explosive perimeter players this is the type of player we need.
We need defense. Go get the best on ball defender. Bilal.
Everyone says it's feast or famine, but if the Spurs are still in it for the last two picks, that could really be feast or famine.
Obviously, the first pick is the one you want but (depending on who the Spurs want), the second pick could be the absolute worst spot to land.
Pretty much this.... Any top 4 pick will have plenty of suitors trying to acquire it. I wouldn’t trade #1 or #2, but 3 or 4 I'd definitely explore my options.
You target offense with a top 7 pick. Offensive potential comes at a larger draft cost.
Get your defense with the second round pick.
nba combine numbers are actually pretty disappointing if you follow the NFL combine.
these guys have "max vert" numbers worse than a lot of the NFL guys standing verts.
from what ive seen, Whitemore has the highest "max" vert of 40.5. meanwhile 14 guys at this year's NFL combine matched or exceeded 40.5 with the standing vert
different caliber of athlete tbh
Basketball players have to do a lot more than a football player. Some football players spin right. That's all they do. Other football players spin left.
im not comparing the separate skills the sports require. im just comparing the athletic ability. jumping being a common one with the two sports
at least years nba combine, the highest standing vertical leap was 35.5 inches (EJ Lidell). meanwhile just looking at offensive linemen of this year's nfl combine, blake freeland had a standing vert of 37 inches at 302 pounds
You're missing the point. Football players don't have to know anything about the sport other than the very specific 'skill' they're meant to do. Therefore you can draw from a larger group of athletes. When you get a guy who just runs and catches a ball, you can get a more athletic guy.
already addressed. as someone who follows both sports, it just caught my eye how different expectations are as to what is a "good vert" in the two sports. im not comparing the skill of the athletes. i think you are massively downplaying the skill of NFL players, but i'm not even getting into that lol. they're obviously different sports with different demands. i just made a simple observation about verts. the nfl doesnt even bother testing "max" vert as they only do the standing vert
"The French wing started his 2022-23 campaign playing for the U21 squad of Metropolitans where he immediately stood out, putting up 21.9 points per game on 62.7 TS%. His defensive production in the French U21 league was also impressive, racking up 2.6 steals and 1.2 blocks per contest."
All of the sophistication in the NFL happens upstairs, other than the quarterback. Almost all of the players barely have any need to understand what's going on other than what they very specifically do. Yes, linebackers and others have to make quick reads, but it's a highly specialized sport where players are just... dumb. There's no other way to put it. You seem to be a fan, which is fine, but it's a vastly different sport. , players don't even play on both sides of the ball.
It's just supply and demand. When you have a big lardass who spins right every single play and tries to do it faster than his opponent can stop him, you don't have to control for anything else. So you can pull guys who jump real high, etc. They barely have any other requirements. Basketball, you need a guy who can do a number of different things, the least of which is actually play both sides of the ball and be good at multiple skills.
One of the best defenders in the last 10 drafts was also a Frenchman. His name was Frank Ntilakina, and he was drafted #8 overall. He played in the French A league, and not on the junior team, and was a colossal bust at a pick that is lower than we can even fall in this draft.
its astonishing that they can find a big lardass who can just "spin right on every single play" who have higher verts than the best of nba superstars
im a big fan of both sports, though i typically follow the nfl draft a lot closer than the nba draft. i never realized the nba vert numbers we always hear was not the "standing" vert
I'm aware. I also see athleticism oozing from this kid's pores. Dont think a serious person wouldnsay that about Frank. Bilal has almost a foot more reach and has better lateral movement. Frank has never even averaged 1 whole steal.
Nor offensively, are tge close. Frank isnt a 3 level scorer. Frank hasn't had an NBA season even shooting in the 40% range (39.9% is a career high). Bilal shoots above the 50% range FG You couldn't say Frank is an above the rim player. My man Bilal is. My Bilal is a better natural passer and at 6'8", and better rebounder.
And as for the knock on the level of play, that's why trajectory is important contextual information. He greatly improved from last year to this year, which is precisely what you'd want to see instead of it being a negative.
About the only thing they have in common is that they are both Frenchman.
I admire your conviction. One day you're either going to look like a genius or an idiot. YOLO!
I think as of now, I am:
Wemby
Scoot
Amen
Whitmore
Miller
Black
Cason Wallace
Ausar/Bilal
I don’t know man - please just give us top 2
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I'm OK with this. Behold, I'm Bucker of Trends.
In all seriousness though on a larger point, if I'm right and none of the Thompson twins nor Scoot ever amount to. not much beyond mid-level players or even solid role players that challenge for a all. Nba team once, for the course of their respective careers, we should reject the notion that there's a real life genius ongoing in the sort of group think draft analysis that numbers these kids. For months, all we've heard about beyond Wembanyama is, and in order, Scoot, then Amen. Ausur somewhere near, but below him. Then some combination of the rest.
I say if you watch Bilal's overall game, it almost jumps out how his entire game ultimately outclasses those guys when you consider his defensive skillset with the clear signs he's shown offensively, juxtaposed with his athletlicism.
I trust the Spurs - there’s not anything “clear” outside of Wemby/Scoot IMO (and even Scoot isn’t a for sure generational talent). Anything after pick 2 I don’t care who SA drafts; they have earned my trust overall and there’s no such thing as a reach starting there for the most part IMO (within some reason)
Hopefully by tomorrow, this will be a very lonely thread...
Would love for that to be the case. I've said since the beginning it's Wembanyama or bust for me. Just hopeful there's gold in them thar hills somewhere else beyond Wembanyama and I've convinced myself of we don't get Wembanyama at least there's another player I could really get excited about.
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