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    https://bleacherreport.com/articles/...-landing-spots

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      The San Antonio Spurs like Jakob Poeltl and would be happy to extend him, but existing rules limit him to $50.5 million over four additional seasons. Several NBA sources peg his asking price in the $17 million to $20 million range in the first year alone as an unrestricted free agent.
      While the Spurs can pay that, the team will have to wait until July to do so. And that may be beyond their price range, which could inspire the team to get a deal done before the trade deadline.
      The asking price is believed to be a first-round pick and a good young player. Teams linked to Poeltl include the Boston Celtics, Raptors, Lakers, Clippers and Warriors. The Celtics may be a reach, given their tax position and commitment to Al Horford and Robert Williams III.
      With the Lakers getting solid minutes from Thomas Bryant, they may be less inclined to chase a big man. The Clippers have Brandon Boston Jr. and Amir Coffey, prospects in demand that could appeal to a rebuilding team like the Spurs. The Warriors don't appear ready to give up on James Wiseman, Jonathan Kuminga or Moses Moody.

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    mcdermott was never a 4 year deal

    mcdermott is the type of guy who will have trade value as an expiring deal, but also might not have been willing to settle for a 1 year deal at his age. given the state of the spurs, they probably did have to overpay to land players.
    Itís kind of funny how everyone hated the deal like me but now defend it and seem totally ok with it. Doesnít make sense but I digress

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    I see things a little bit in reverse, and I think this is Chinook's point as well. The current Spurs (not the Mills/LMA/Rudy/Gasol Spurs) HAVE to overpay, because a vet who provides mentorship value requires that premium in order to be here. And currently, there is no opportunity cost to overpaying them. Having Doug on his deal doesn't prevent us from having any other player, so in the now, overpaying is kind of irrelevant.

    On the other hand (to the second bolded portion), when you are truly competing is when you can' afford to overpay for good players, because it comes at an opportunity cost. Overpaying your role playing vet could mean you can no longer keep another role playing vet, so you have to be more diligent in ensuring you are getting good value out of your roster construction.

    I definitely see your point about wanting to trade all these vets before they walk for nothing, but that really isn't practical. Sometimes you're just going to lose guys to Free Agency, and that's okay. Of late, it seems like the Spurs have done a better job of extracting some value for those players who have it on the way out as opposed to letting them die on the vine until they reach a buy-out or just vanish as Free Agents. Ideally, we'd trade everyone before they hit FA or do a S&T for them, but that just isn't that realistic.
    They do not have to over pay for guys like Doug. They do it because they can and they value CREAM too much. Itís why everyone supposedly hated the deal like me right? There is opportunity cost. We may not agree to what degree but having bad contracts you may not be able to trade is a downside imo. Itís less money that can be absorbed in a deal. Thereís quite a few unnecessary risks imo which yíall donít agree with.


    I do agree itís not a ďbig dealĒ and I know you canít trade everyone. But spurs went out and got Doug etc so they need to be focused on those types of deals for trades and more than just CREAM. Itís so much more critical now to maximize every drop of value imo because we are in a rebuild and itís a perilous journey. Small markets need every chance we can get and the draft is the biggest part. Need picks and as much as we can.

    But agree - I am very happy with how FO has done last year or two. Much more active in trades and made much more decisive moves. Iím just making a message board point/general thoughts on the details I want to see to give me full confidence in this FO adapting for the new future.

    I had confidence shaking last 5 years but Iím much more optimistic since they traded Derozan and moves since then.

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    Brings up teams that are interested in Poeltl, supposedly, then shoots each one down. Mentions the Clippers, who already have Zubacs. Who writes this ?

    Also... Amir Coffey is certainly not in 'demand'; he's awful. And Brandon Boston was terrible in college yet got drafted anyhow. He was bad, real bad, last year and has managed to regress.

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    It’s kind of funny how everyone hated the deal like me but now defend it and seem totally ok with it. Doesn’t make sense but I digress
    No, i didn’t like it. Still don’t. But he will have trade value next year

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    I'm fairly sure fans around the NBA laugh equally when they hear spurs want 2 FRPs for Poetl.
    It doesn't matter, we also always laughed at other teams' trade demand. It is all about negotiation, if you starts low you can only get lower return.

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    Brings up teams that are interested in Poeltl, supposedly, then shoots each one down. Mentions the Clippers, who already have Zubacs. Who writes this ?

    Also... Amir Coffey is certainly not in 'demand'; he's awful. And Brandon Boston was terrible in college yet got drafted anyhow. He was bad, real bad, last year and has managed to regress.
    It's speculation, and bad one at that. A lot of posters here could have written a better piece than that.

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    Lol at Amir Coffey and Brandon Boston Ďin demandí. Both those guys are 2nd round talents. They are terrible.

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    In the end do we really think the spurs pass on Wiseman and a lightly protected FRP for Jakob? I get all the Wiseman stuff, but whereís the superior offer coming from?

    The only thing that probably nets more is a 3 way where the Spurs are simultaneously sending out Jak and leveraging their dumping ground cap space.

    Just trying to be realistic

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    In the end do we really think the spurs pass on Wiseman and a lightly protected FRP for Jakob? I get all the Wiseman stuff, but whereís the superior offer coming from?

    The only thing that probably nets more is a 3 way where the Spurs are simultaneously sending out Jak and leveraging their dumping ground cap space.

    Just trying to be realistic
    Itís not about getting a deal done, itís about getting the right deal done, or rolling into the summer with him.

    Everything Iíve heard is that the Spurs want no part of Wiseman or Kuminga. Make of that what you will.

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    This conversation is all over the place so Iím just gonna chime in randomly with a random thought.

    Jones: it makes sense to resign him. Itíll still be mostly affordable. Heís dependable and ok for a tanking team. And if someone wants to become the lead ball handler than they have to at least play better than him, so it sets up some compe ion.

    Yak: just look at it from thousand yards away, really makes no sense to resign him. We suck with him, we can suck without him, and his skill set is much more suited for a quality team who needs a glue guy, not for where we are at right now. So to me, itís obvious to trade him or let him walk.

    DJ: I think the issues are more than just money. I think the issue with him, at least from my interpretation of the front office, at least my best guess, is they didnít totally trust his character, and also his style of play is dominating, so if you resign him, youíre expecting him to be your best player, and I at least appreciate the Spurs wanting to hold out for someone better than that.

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    Rereading the piece again, and think it would be great if NOLA got engaged. They all those picks, though, some are bull /fake FRPs.

    Hayes<>Jakob swap with them sending up two FRP would be nice.

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    Itís not about getting a deal done, itís about getting the right deal done, or rolling into the summer with him.

    Everything Iíve heard is that the Spurs want no part of Wiseman or Kuminga. Make of that what you will.
    I agree that we shouldn't dump Poeltl at any price. But the reports that we wouldn't take back Kuminga in a package for him don't make much sense to me. Unless there's some really hardcore stuff about him pesonally (like he's on hard drugs, or really toxic personality, or whatever), he's a 20 y.o. forward who's a freak athlete, a good defender, and not a horrible shooter (33% 3PT and 68% FT for his career). I get that he's underwhelmed so far, but that's exactly the kind of player we could make the most profit from, even if he wasn't part of our long term plans. At worst he'd get you a first back down the road, and potentially much more, besides being on a 2nd year of a rookie scale contract, meaning you have control over him for a while before you have to make a decision on him.

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    I agree that we shouldn't dump Poeltl at any price. But the reports that we wouldn't take back Kuminga in a package for him don't make much sense to me. Unless there's some really hardcore stuff about him pesonally (like he's on hard drugs, or really toxic personality, or whatever), he's a 20 y.o. forward who's a freak athlete, a good defender, and not a horrible shooter (33% 3PT and 68% FT for his career). I get that he's underwhelmed so far, but that's exactly the kind of player we could make the most profit from, even if he wasn't part of our long term plans. At worst he'd get you a first back down the road, and potentially much more, besides being on a 2nd year of a rookie scale contract, meaning you have control over him for a while before you have to make a decision on him.
    I kinda agree with this.... if Kuminga and a very lightly protected or unprotected 1st (depending on the year) are on the table then that's an offer we should seriously consider..

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    In the end do we really think the spurs pass on Wiseman and a lightly protected FRP for Jakob?
    Yes, we pass. I don't think any team in the league would trade for Wiseman.

    It's not simply that he's unplayable, he cannot stay healthy even if he was. But the real thing is that he stands to make $12 million next season and that's before the next contract kicks in. The salary track he's on as a top pick is absurd.

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    Yes, we pass. I don't think any team in the league would trade for Wiseman.

    It's not simply that he's unplayable, he cannot stay healthy even if he was. But the real thing is that he stands to make $12 million next season and that's before the next contract kicks in. The salary track he's on as a top pick is absurd.
    That's kinda what interests me -- there is no way he commands anywhere near a max extension. Let him go fetch an offer (it'll be low), and get the right to match it if its reasonable. I dont think 12M for one year is that big a deal, thats what Dougie makes and less than what Jakob will command.

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    I agree that we shouldn't dump Poeltl at any price. But the reports that we wouldn't take back Kuminga in a package for him don't make much sense to me. Unless there's some really hardcore stuff about him pesonally (like he's on hard drugs, or really toxic personality, or whatever), he's a 20 y.o. forward who's a freak athlete, a good defender, and not a horrible shooter (33% 3PT and 68% FT for his career). I get that he's underwhelmed so far, but that's exactly the kind of player we could make the most profit from, even if he wasn't part of our long term plans. At worst he'd get you a first back down the road, and potentially much more, besides being on a 2nd year of a rookie scale contract, meaning you have control over him for a while before you have to make a decision on him.
    Agree, though i dont think we ALSO get a pick on top of it for Jak's expiring deal

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    Weíre hoping the Spurs get fantastically lucky and hit the jackpot with Wemby, so also, how would Wiseman pair with Wemby? For many reasons, I canít see it.

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    Weíre hoping the Spurs get fantastically lucky and hit the jackpot with Wemby, so also, how would Wiseman pair with Wemby? For many reasons, I canít see it.
    Im not getting my hopes up nor should anyone else. At bests its just at 14% shot at Wemby. It will be a good prblem to have.

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    I wonder what the Pelicans would be willing to give up for Poeltl? Lots of talent and assets on that roster…
    Hayes and two FRPs. Some of those late Milwaukee FRPs may be decent.

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    That's kinda what interests me -- there is no way he commands anywhere near a max extension. Let him go fetch an offer (it'll be low), and get the right to match it if its reasonable. I dont think 12M for one year is that big a deal, thats what Dougie makes and less than what Jakob will command.
    But... he can't even get on the court when healthy right now. Why pay for a player the Warriors have tried and tried and tried to get to play but is so bad they can't?

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    I agree that we shouldn't dump Poeltl at any price. But the reports that we wouldn't take back Kuminga in a package for him don't make much sense to me. Unless there's some really hardcore stuff about him pesonally (like he's on hard drugs, or really toxic personality, or whatever), he's a 20 y.o. forward who's a freak athlete, a good defender, and not a horrible shooter (33% 3PT and 68% FT for his career). I get that he's underwhelmed so far, but that's exactly the kind of player we could make the most profit from, even if he wasn't part of our long term plans. At worst he'd get you a first back down the road, and potentially much more, besides being on a 2nd year of a rookie scale contract, meaning you have control over him for a while before you have to make a decision on him.
    From what I understand, it isn’t Kuminga’s on court presence, mediocre as that may be. Chances are that Pop and Kerr probably talk regularly.

    The Warriors are rapidly aging out of this current core, and if they don’t want him, that speaks volumes.

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    It's astonishing the Warriors completely blew their lottery picks. They took Wiseman, Kuminga, and Moody.

    Wiseman... This might be the worst draft of all time, and I don't see LaMello (a glorified playground baller) as a GSW fit. Best move was trading out. Seriously, that draft suuuucked.
    Kuminga... I still like him, but no good basketball instruction (Ignite doesn't cut it) and an apparent bad at ude. Should have taken Franz Wagner.
    Moody... Wasn't really that good in college, took him anyway. He's just a rookie, though. Could have had Sengun or Trey Murphy.

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    It's astonishing the Warriors completely blew their lottery picks. They took Wiseman, Kuminga, and Moody.

    Wiseman... This might be the worst draft of all time, and I don't see LaMello (a glorified playground baller) as a GSW fit. Best move was trading out. Seriously, that draft suuuucked.
    Kuminga... I still like him, but no good basketball instruction (Ignite doesn't cut it) and an apparent bad at ude. Should have taken Franz Wagner.
    Moody... Wasn't really that good in college, took him anyway. He's just a rookie, though. Could have had Sengun or Trey Murphy.
    They got Jordan Poole at 30, though.

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    They got Jordan Poole at 30, though.
    28, he went one spot ahead of Keldon. But still, they blew it with Wiseman over Lamelo/Haliburton/Vassell/Desmond Bane(Lamelo was a bad fit culture wise, though), Kuminga over Wagner, and Moody over Tre Murphy or Sengun. Overall their drafting as of late has been underwhelming, there's no way around it.

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