Ok...go with that...and there's nothing wrong with that opinion...but the consensus among the guys that do this for a living concludes something different than you're concluding....
I have seen no such consensus. Anyway, to me there's a grievous error in going in on these Overtime Elite types and players who play on teams that can't win games even in college. If you're playing Overtime Elite or Ignite you might as well just sit the year out.
Evidence? Look at who they've put in the league recently and how massively they're struggling. But go on and clap your hands wildly. I'm sure Tinkerbell will regain her wings.
If the Spurs are a lottery team in 2028, something has gone wrong.
I understand your concerns about OE...Ignite... they're legitimate.. I'm not going to deny that.... I'm not even going to say that the consensus isn't going to change by draft day because it very well might. There will be athletic testing, psychological testing, interviews etc that will happen between now and then. For instance, Amen Thompson is pretty much a top 4 guy right now and there are assumptions on shooting and chatacter/mentality that figure in that. When he tests he could fall out of the top 10 or pass Scoot for number 2... we don't have the information to draw that conclusion....all we have is where he currently stands with the current information available...
For me, I'm pretty close to the consensus and don't see any reason to deviate from that until I've got more information to use. I've got some from watching game film but, it limited as of now. But more will be coming and my board will probably change some at that point....some always underperform and some overperform... that's the normal course these things take..
Consensus said Jabari Smith was the #2 pick but looking like he should have been picked #12 or lower.
Sure...but it's irrelevant to the point here...which is where they'll be drafted (or in the case you pointed out...were drafted).... it isn't a debate about whether the consensus is correct or not.... there are always aberrations..
I'm not doubting you mo7888, but where are these consensus stories about the top 6 all being better than last year's #1? I'd like to read this.
Hard to get a good read on him given he plays for a team of selfish chuckers with zero structure or accountability.
Really hope Houston doesnt win the #1 pick this season. They dont deserve it and they'll ruin Wemby
IMO this is a huge storyline to watch. Not only do the Rockets not deserve any more help because 1) they've already gotten two top 4 picks and 2) they've not proven they can do anything with talent AND not only will the ruin Wemby but it will ALSO be a huge embarrassment for Silver who came out and warned teams against tanking. I think you can generally absolve all other teams this year of the egregious tanking that Houston is currently deploying. Pistons and Hornets have had significant injuries (and key players doing felonies), the Spurs have a roster but are actually overachieving the W/L column, and the Magic are young and on the ascent. I am surprised that OKC didn't go the full tank route this year with such a prize on the horizon.
They came out around the 2022 draft...comparing it to 2023.... there were several....
Became a consensus top pick due to media echo chamber. Every college basketball broadcast the commentators were mentioning him as a top 1 or 2 pick and nobody was brave or cared enough to say otherwise. He became a thoughtless media truism, kinda like how Kobe is accepted as the best player of his generation when clearly that's not true.
I was definitely not of the opinion he deserved a top pick. Jabari Smith always had high-level role-player written on him as a ceiling. He was a good outside shooter and a good defender and shotblocker. That's literally all he did. He shot a really miserable percentage inside the arc and I don't think he even rebounded that much.
Meanwhile, Keegan Murray was 'obviously' terrible.
Dude, every single year the draft mavens are going to claim THIS YEAR is COMPLETELY NUTS with talent. That's what drives the clicks and eyeballs.
It's very apparent this is a down year in the draft. May prove otherwise, but the NCAA is really bad this year overall, no break-out players whatsoever, and the rest are OTE, which is a joke, or Ignite, which doesn't produce good pros.
While there is always hype around the next 'thing', it's kind of absurd to claim this is a down draft.... when it's one of the better one's we've seen in quite some time...
Counting Jabari Smith out this early is foolish. I’d switch him for Sochan in a heartbeat.
That's dumb.
No doubt
No matter what the draft experts say, every year there are always a few duds taken in the top 10 or lottery. This past year is no different. Some players need more than 1 year in college to develop, and then there are players that take a few years and a different team to develop. It happens pretty much every year and every draft. Then there are top college players that just suck in the NBA. Some talent but mostly hype.
At least we got lucky with Keldon. He wasn't a top 10 pick or lottery pick but in retrospect his stats prove he should have been.
Sochan may well be better, but yeah, Smith would still has an easier path to being what Sochan projects to be.
Despite not having seen the same, I don't doubt the veracity, but I find it hard to believe Banchero and Holmgren don't go 3-4 in this draft.
By the time we get to the draft and have more information that very well could be..
Good point. Cam Reddish is on his way out the league and was a top 10 pick.
In the 2019 class
Keldon ranked 8 mp, 6 ppg, 3 rpg and 11 in WS
Trade to land Shaedon Sharpe
Sa: gets Sharpe + S. Barnes + O Porter
Portland: gets Og Anunoby
Toronto: gets Poeltl + Keldon Johnson + Josh Hart + 2025 first round from Portland + 2027 lottery protected from Portland
Portland gets another star to win now
Toronto gets a nice return for Og Anunoby
Spurs rebuilding for the future
They aren’t selling Barnes for that.
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