I think Toronto or Phoenix and my dark horse team is the Lakers..
Agreed, it is going to take a minimum of 3 years of getting top 6 picks to upgrade our talent pool. I am OK signing Poodle for cheap if we can not get a decent trade this year. If we can not then I am looking at moving him in 2025
I think Toronto or Phoenix and my dark horse team is the Lakers..
The best ability is AVAILability.
You haven’t seen him shoot FTs lately, have you? He’ll have no problem closing games. If he had adapted the mostly one handed method at the beginning of the year, he’d be at about 70% r/n.
You forget to take your pills gramps?
Poeltl fits next to Wemby. Also fits with Scoot. If you can get a good haul trade him, if not resign him
Lol, you can believe whatever the you want. Jakob Poeltl has four inches height over Robert Williams, is bigger, stronger. He is much more durable. The only thing Williams does better is block shots, although only .4 more per 36 minutes. Williams was a much better shotblocker than he is now. Their rebounding is a wash. Poeltl is a much better scorer, while Williams is more of a dunk-spot guy. Poeltl blows him away as a facilitator and he gets half again as many steals.
There's honestly not much of a comparison. Williams cannot stay healthy, is much smaller (PF sized), cannot facilitate the same way. Unless you're paying the Boston Celtics premium (e.g. media bias), Poeltl is the player you'd want every single time.
When you are this close to perennial contention you should actually want BOTH.
Sure but he'd still be a rim protector and a Wemby/Sochan "small ball" combo (hilarious with a 7'5 guy) would offer a serious dilemma to opponents...
Did you see how quick Wemby can read and recover from the perimeter to come and block guys going for the lay-up thanks to his pterodactyl arms... That's another unique skill he possesses, he doesn't have to be as close as any normal big to block someone, reason why they often don't see the block coming or even possible...
Just add a couple 3 point shooters around and man, there's nothing for the opponent to stop that. And again, if you play Wemby with Poetl, that means you let Sochan on the bench.
I’ve heard this Victor character is pretty good. Ha. Yes. Absolutely. Victor and Jeremy. Vassel and Keldon as less creators and more spot up shooters, but we still need a player to break things down. Jones is great at minimizing turnovers but not great at actually distributing, at least not any sort of high level. So we’re still another draft away in this fantasy scenario.
Edit: Unless Wesley somehow explodes. Statistically, that’s probably a low chance, it may be better than an 18% chance of getting Victor.
Anyway.
As usual, the Poeltl discourse sways too far in either direction.
Trade him at all costs. This team needs as many assets and "bites at the apple" as it can get.
He's not a "good fit next to Wembanyama" because the third big in this hypothetical, Sochan, also can't shoot which means the guy who's development should take precedence would be relegated to mostly floor spacer and it's still unclear what caliber of shooter he is.
Even if he were a "good fit next to Wembanyama", who cares? This team would still need at least another top tier pick and having Collins/Bassey eat a combined 30 something mpg would help with that.
Center has never been more saturated, it's the easiest position to find competent play out of, they should have ample opportunity at myriad ones with their own picks going forward and as solid as Poeltl is, there's nothing special or unique about him.
Love busting your balls but this is spot on. My sentiments exactly.
imo it's silly to worry about how Poeltl and Sochan fit with Wenbayama. The Spurs only have a maximum of a 14% chance of getting the #1 pick. Get all the assets you can for Poeltl now, bird in the hand etc.
I think Collins is a better fit with Victor, as Collins can space the floor for Victor to operate. Whereas Poeltl’s defender could clog the lane for Victor.
I’m pretty sure PATFO aren’t getting this granular given we have a small chance of getting Victor to begin with.
3 million of a ~$140-150 million cap is make or break? So you want to excuse overpaying for Ayton to keep him as an asset but not paying Poetl a reasonable market value contract to keep him as an asset? Also Gobert is statistically very similar to Poetl now, don't care what he did in the past in Utah. You got him on your allstar team this year?
Collins' jack of all trades, master of non type style is a better fit since it'd make it easier to plumb the depth's of Wembanyama's versatility.
The idea would be to make Wembanyama the day one centerpiece of the offense, not some stay-in-your-lane finisher like most of these other hybrid bigs.
My favorite passtime is doing simulation in Tankathon, where Spurs got #1 overall on 1st try today![]()
Poeltl is the bird in the hand if he wants to stay. Gonna have a hard time getting a better player than him with a pick outside the lottery. If he says he wants out to play for a contender then yeah gotta move him for whatever you can get. But if he wants to be here I'd rather pay him than trade him for a middling pick. It's not like the Spurs would be looking at the luxury tax any time in the life of a Poeltl contract and capspace means when you're an undesirable market to FA and a ty team.
I think you lost track of the original argument, which was "Which non star center is getting that kind of money?". My point was that it was very hard for non star centers to get top money, and I cited the couple most recent centers that came to mind: Robert Williams (12M per year on average) & Mitc Robinson (15M per year on average).
Then you started to bring up a lot of other players, such as Gobert, Vucevic, Porzingis, but that comparison doesn't hold because at the time those contracts were signed, every one of them was significantly more accomplished that Poeltl is today, even if today they've lost a step (or several). If they entered free agency right now, none of them would be getting anywhere near as much as they did.
The most recent example of a non star center getting top money is Ayton, but I brought to your attention the cir stances under which he signed that contract (remember the Suns were on the verge of not signing him as a result, and he's perceived as being grossly overpaid throughout the league).
My point isn't that the Spurs SHOULDN'T sign Poeltl, but rather that they shouldn't IF IT'S AT THE EXPENSE OF HIM BECOMING A NEGATIVE ASSET as a result. And, again, if he's getting paid significantly more than players at his position and archetype (which is losing ground season after season) and similar level (give or take), then you have to wonder at what point it's worth it to sign him at any cost.
The argument of the difference being 3M is misleading, because you may consider it a small step, but in 4 years with raises that may amount to 14M, and that IS significant to his value as an asset, because say a contending team is interested in him, they're likely over the cap, and the total cost could end up 4x as much, which actually CAN break a deal. And that influences his value as an asset.
In short, it's not that I desperately want to drop Poeltl, but overpaying for older players in a career year is a dangerous proposition, and I'd hate for us to be so blinded by the idea of losing him, that we end up signing him to a contract that renders him untradeable a la John Collins, which could end up much worse.
Just noticing Blake’s stats in Austin since his return, and I think the PG experiment could be over. He had zero and three assists the last two box scores I checked.
That's not the point I was making, but rather that they're comparable players and as such there's no reason Poeltl should get twice as much as Robert Williams did just a year ago, which predates his latest series of troubling injuries.
Disregarding 8 years of his career in favor of a handful of games, and pretending that's an unequivocal predictor of future performance at the line, is borderline idiotic to say the least. By that token you could look at any fluctuation in patterns and drawing whatever conclusion you want. I thought you were smarter than this.
I get it - BUT SA needs to think looooooong and hard if they want to pay a Center; albeit a very good player, 20-25M a year in this league. Especially when you aren’t winning or contending.
I like Jakob and if we can move Zach+Doug for picks then I definitely am ok keeping Jak since it makes his first new year free (money that was going to Zach + Doug just gets re-routed to Jak). But paying someone 20-25M on a losing team I am not sure is so wise. You can trade him now vs possibly running risk of a deal looking really not so great potentially. It’s just a risk; even if it may be a small one.
I am just not a fan of paying guys on the older side of a rebuild 20M+, even if we have cap space, unless you are going to make a leap in the first 2 years of their deal. Especially a Center.
But if you can move Doug & Zach - ya keep Jakob unless it’s a great deal.
But getting even one fully unprotected pick I think would be VERY hard to turn down IMVHO (even the one from BOS where the swap gets turned into a straight up pick to us and maybe a 2nd rounder too) and I really do like Jak
Zach can just be waived if his salary is really a concern...he's non guaranteed next year...I personally don't see the money as an issue at all though...
who else are we paying anytime soon? outside of vassell there is nothing on the horizon
Agreed. The biggest reason to pay/over pay Jak is that we have near infinite cap. This whole squad is getting a nice binus this year because we couldn’t meet the minimum. I see this happening for the immediate future.
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