How long will our Tank last?

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I just hope the Spurs aren't left with a #2 pick and are forced to choose between Scoot and Miller. I hope we aren't forced to take Miller at all. Dude is Uber talented but he's a morality nightmare.

[Mr. Body]

I think the point may be that with generational type players, you see them a year out. It was so with Zion and with Wemby, and next year, there's no one to really tank for. The draft may be OK or even good, but it's probably not worth tanking for, since that's the thread subject. You could get a good player in the back half of the lottery, winning 35 games.

Joel Embiid -- rated 78th
James Harden -- rated 21st
Jason Tatum -- rated 3rd (behind Harry Giles and Josh Jackson)
Kawhi Leonard -- rated 56th
Paul George -- rated 292nd
Chris Paul -- rated 12th
Damian Lillard -- rated 214th
Shai Gilgeous-Alexander -- rated 31st
Russell Westbrook -- rated 137th
Brandon Beal -- rated 4th
Anthony Davis -- rated 1st (right behind him: Austin Rivers, Michael Kidd-Gilchrist)
Klay Thompson -- rated 45th
Stephen Curry -- rated 256th

High school rating agencies are as believable as Moody's when it comes to certifying banks.

[exstatic]

That pick is going to be no where near 7. It's going to be a pick in the 20s.

They have a cash crunch this summer, with Poeltl, FVV, and Trent, and they won't keep all of them. They're a barely hanging on bottom half play in team, and you think they'll be significantly better next year?

[exstatic]

Joel Embiid -- rated 78th
James Harden -- rated 21st
Jason Tatum -- rated 3rd (behind Harry Giles and Josh Jackson)
Kawhi Leonard -- rated 56th
Paul George -- rated 292nd
Chris Paul -- rated 12th
Damian Lillard -- rated 214th
Shai Gilgeous-Alexander -- rated 31st
Russell Westbrook -- rated 137th
Brandon Beal -- rated 4th
Anthony Davis -- rated 1st (right behind him: Austin Rivers, Michael Kidd-Gilchrist)
Klay Thompson -- rated 45th
Stephen Curry -- rated 256th

High school rating agencies are as believable as Moody's when it comes to certifying banks.

I hate HS ratings, so you're preaching to the choir. What you posted has nothing to do with generational players, the subject of the post you quoted.

[Mr. Body]

I hate HS ratings, so you're preaching to the choir. What you posted has nothing to do with generational players, the subject of the post you quoted.

I mean, what the is a generational player.

Point is, deciding a draft is great or not before anyone has played a level above high school is completely ing stupid.

[exstatic]

I mean, what the is a generational player.

Point is, deciding a draft is great or not before anyone has played a level above high school is completely ing stupid.

Kobe, KG, Duncan, LeBron, AD, Zion in the last 30 years. Two of them injury flamed, but it's a guy you can build a championship contender around for a decade, minimum.

You can get good guys in any draft, without tanking, which is the subject of this thread. My position is that you don't intentionally set a season on fire unless there is a franchise guy at the top of the next draft.

[MultiTroll]

Shaq, KG, Duncan, LeBron, AD, Zion in the last 30 years. Two of them injury flamed, but it's a guy you can build a championship contender around for a decade, minimum..

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Don't mention Kobme and Timmy Duncs in the same basketball ability sentence again. Ever.

[Mr. Body]

Kobe, KG, Duncan, LeBron, AD, Zion in the last 30 years. Two of them injury flamed, but it's a guy you can build a championship contender around for a decade, minimum.

You can get good guys in any draft, without tanking, which is the subject of this thread. My position is that you don't intentionally set a season on fire unless there is a franchise guy at the top of the next draft.

Anthony Davis is a clown who never deserved his reputation, absolutely not a generational player. Generational talent? Sure. Kobe was drafted late. Garnett at only 5. The rest I'll give.

But you don't need that top draft pick to get those players. Giannis, Curry, Jokic, etc., but then we've all said this stuff before. Getting supremely talented players does not require those top draft picks and usually teams just squander those picks on players who don't deserve those picks. The point of the thread isn't to debate who can actually win championships or be a franchise guy. The thread is about tanking and how to tell whether a draft is going to be good. My point here is that it's not possible to tell how good a draft will be without that draft year actually happening. Or else Shaeden Sharpe would be Michael Jordan right now.

[exstatic]

Anthony Davis is a clown who never deserved his reputation, absolutely not a generational player. Generational talent? Sure. Kobe was drafted late. Garnett at only 5. The rest I'll give.

But you don't need that top draft pick to get those players. Giannis, Curry, Jokic, etc., but then we've all said this stuff before. Getting supremely talented players does not require those top draft picks and usually teams just squander those picks on players who don't deserve those picks. The point of the thread isn't to debate who can actually win championships or be a franchise guy. The thread is about tanking and how to tell whether a draft is going to be good. My point here is that it's not possible to tell how good a draft will be without that draft year actually happening. Or else Shaeden Sharpe would be Michael Jordan right now.

Maybe that's what I should have called it. I would only tank with a generational talent sitting at or near the top. As you said, you can get really good to great players outside the top 4.

[RC_Drunkford]

If we get Wembanyama or Scoot it‘s over. Team will still suck, but in OKC territory

[MultiTroll]

You both have valid points.

The "Generational" list needs to drastically paired down.

In our era it's been Shaq, Timmy Duncs and Lebron. That's it.
All were #1 overalls.

Wama has the franchise altering potential of those 3.

[baseline bum]

If we get Wembanyama or Scoot it‘s over. Team will still suck, but in OKC territory

Not sure that Scoot is going to be as good as SGA tbh

[exstatic]

Not sure that Scoot is going to be as good as SGA tbh

Not sure Scoot is going to be as good as Blake Wesley.

[Thomas82]

2025 is the Boozer and younger Wembanyama class I believe... but next year is considered to be a down year. I think it makes a good case to use assets in next years draft + our two 2nd's this draft to either move up for an additional 1st this year or buy another bite at the apple in 2025.

Their class is actually 2026.

[Thomas82]

If we get the No. 1 pick, I think this might be the only year.

[John B]

Maybe that's what I should have called it. I would only tank with a generational talent sitting at or near the top. As you said, you can get really good to great players outside the top 4.

Were Wade, Dirk generational talent? Those guys were the heads of the snake in their championship run, and I meant the 2006 Wade when he was Batman and Shaq was Robin. Would you tank for Dirk?

[exstatic]

Were Wade, Dirk generational talent? Those guys were the heads of the snake in their championship run, and I meant the 2006 Wade when he was Batman and Shaq was Robin. Would you tank for Dirk?

Euros weren't that well though of when Dirk was in the draft. Not a lot of big success stories, so back then, I probably wouldn't have. The 2003 draft was ridiculously good. I would have tanked, knowing I was getting one of Bron, Bosh or Wade. Bosh and Wade weren't generational, but they were better than a lot of #1 overalls in years surrounding, and a of a consolation prize.

[Russ]

Joel Embiid -- rated 78th
James Harden -- rated 21st
Jason Tatum -- rated 3rd (behind Harry Giles and Josh Jackson)
Kawhi Leonard -- rated 56th
Paul George -- rated 292nd
Chris Paul -- rated 12th
Damian Lillard -- rated 214th
Shai Gilgeous-Alexander -- rated 31st
Russell Westbrook -- rated 137th
Brandon Beal -- rated 4th
Anthony Davis -- rated 1st (right behind him: Austin Rivers, Michael Kidd-Gilchrist)
Klay Thompson -- rated 45th
Stephen Curry -- rated 256th

High school rating agencies are as believable as Moody's when it comes to certifying banks.

This may be more like:

1969:
#1 -- Kareem Abdul-Jabbar (Lew Alcindor)
#2 -- Neal Walk

1979:
#1 -- Magic Johnson
#2 -- David Greenwood (former Spur!)

1989:
#1 -- David Robinson
#2 -- Armon Gilliam

1997:
#1 -- Tim Duncan
#2 -- Keith Van Horn

2023:
#1 -- Victor Wembanyama
#2 -- Steak Knives

It's Wemby or bust this year, no 2nd place.

[Mr. Body]

This may be more like:

1969:
#1 -- Kareem Abdul-Jabbar (Lew Alcindor)
#2 -- Neal Walk

1979:
#1 -- Magic Johnson
#2 -- David Greenwood (former Spur!)

1989:
#1 -- David Robinson
#2 -- Armon Gilliam

1997:
#1 -- Tim Duncan
#2 -- Keith Van Horn

2023:
#1 -- Victor Wembanyama
#2 -- Steak Knives

It's Wemby or bust this year, no 2nd place.

Will you stop watching when we don't get #1?

[baseline bum]

Not sure Scoot is going to be as good as Blake Wesley.

Ugh it looks like Miller is the obvious pick at #2.

[exstatic]

Ugh it looks like Miller is the obvious pick at #2.

He's biting the pillow in his first tournament game.

[Russ]

Will you stop watching when we don't get #1?

Nope. But until then, I'll stop thinking about Plan B (please spare the gratuitous references).

[baseline bum]

He's biting the pillow in his first tournament game.

It's a game they're up 20 against a crap team though.

[baseline bum]

This may be more like:

1969:
#1 -- Kareem Abdul-Jabbar (Lew Alcindor)
#2 -- Neal Walk

1979:
#1 -- Magic Johnson
#2 -- David Greenwood (former Spur!)

1989:
#1 -- David Robinson
#2 -- Armon Gilliam

1997:
#1 -- Tim Duncan
#2 -- Keith Van Horn

2023:
#1 -- Victor Wembanyama
#2 -- Steak Knives

It's Wemby or bust this year, no 2nd place.

Haha I remember James Brown asking Bob Bass at the draft lottery if they were going to draft Armen Gilliam instead of David because of the two year wait and he said he'd been waiting 25 years for a bigman like David so what's two more.

[slick'81]

Imagine if they spurs got stuck with vanhorn next to david