2023 NBA Draft - Workout Tracker

[exstatic]

No. I'm proposing TWO second round picks to JUMP from 33 to 25, that's ON TOP of 33 otherwise it wouldn't be THE JUMP you're buying. That's THREE 2nd round picks, 33 + 44 + future 2nd, for 25

Show me one of those happening, and not for pick 30, which has less value than 31 because of the guarantee. Show me 3 seconds for 25.

[Ariel]

Show me one of those happening, and not for pick 30, which has less value than 31 because of the guarantee. Show me 3 seconds for 25.

I wouldn't have to show you that it's possible to go from A to C, when I already proved it's common going from A to B and from B to C. But since you ask:
https://www.nba.com/timberwolves/new...hts-tyus-jones

The Minnesota Timberwolves tonight acquired the draft rights to guard Tyus Jones from Duke University, the 24th selection in the 2015 NBA Draft by the Cleveland Cavaliers. The Wolves sent the draft rights to forward Cedi Osman from Turkey, the 31st pick in the 2015 NBA Draft, the draft rights to forward Rakeem Christmas from Syracuse, the 36th pick in the 2015 NBA Draft, and their second-round pick in the 2019 NBA Draft to Cleveland to complete the trade. Jones played his high school basketball at Apple Valley (Minn.) High School.

Not every trade is alike, because it involves rights to other players, money, protections, etc. I'm concerned not with whether it happens, because I'm not a psychic, but whether it's feasible and fair in value. I never expected it'd be this difficult to get such an obvious concept across, but in that I was wrong it seems.

[exstatic]

I wouldn't have to show you that it's possible to go from A to C, when I already proved it's common going from A to B and from B to C. But since you ask:
https://www.nba.com/timberwolves/new...hts-tyus-jones

Not every trade is alike, because it involves rights to other players, money, protections, etc. I'm concerned not with whether it happens, because I'm not a psychic, but whether it's feasible and fair in value. I never expected it'd be this difficult to get such an obvious concept across, but in that I was wrong it seems.

31,36,33. No picks in the mid 40s.

[Ariel]

31,36,33. No picks in the mid 40s.

It was 24 for (not 25) for 31 + 36 + future 2nd FOUR YEARS DOWN THE ROAD (ended up 40). Also you could easily make the future second the Spurs own '24, or throw yet another second, or simply cash (these picks can be bought). Point remains, the framework I laid is pretty solid. But it's clear you're grasping at straws, so be my guest.

[PhantomDashCam]

Sop re Charles Bediako of Alabama has supposedly had a workout with the Spurs.

Somewhat surprising considering the Primo stuff. Could it also be about potential background intel. on Brandon Miller?

[rascal]

It was 24 for (not 25) for 31 + 36 + future 2nd FOUR YEARS DOWN THE ROAD (ended up 40). Also you could easily make the future second the Spurs own '24, or throw yet another second, or simply cash (these picks can be bought). Point remains, the framework I laid is pretty solid. But it's clear you're grasping at straws, so be my guest.

When was that trade made? During the season or right before the draft. Harder to make a deal before the draft for a first round pick using only seconds.

Looks to be on draft night. Still hard to pull that type of deal off.

[Ariel]

When was that trade made? During the season or right before the draft. Harder to make a deal before the draft for a first round pick using only seconds.

Looks to be on draft night. Still hard to pull that type of deal off.

It was on draft night and there are plenty of similar moves, and that was in the days where teams didn't have that many to trade. Nowadays 2nd rounders have become mainstream currency with a small number of teams hoarding a good chunk of them and many others completely devoid, so I wouldn't be surprised if a playoff team that doesn't want to add a guaranteed rookie scale contract opts instead to collect 3 or 4 second rounders to dump salary or get a rotation vet by the trade deadline.

[duncan2150]

Combine list. Except Victor who's playing in French league, everybody is there.

[Em-City]

Good stuff. Those prices seem to be all over the place. Doesn't seem to be a set 'cost' for moving up.

It works when moving up a couple of spots in the late- first round, but we don't have a late first rounder this year.

[duncan2150]

I can totally see a team in the 20's who has 2-3 prospects on their radar trading with us for our two secound picks plus maybe another secound or the spurs absorbing a contract

[Mr. Body]

I can totally see a team in the 20's who has 2-3 prospects on their radar trading with us for two secound picks plus maybe another secound or the spurs absorbing a contract

There are a few of those teams. I see them as likely to get their late first round picks out of the late first round in favor of future picks. Utah and Indiana come to mind. Either move up or move out.

[Ariel]

There are a few of those teams. I see them as likely to get their late first round picks out of the late first round in favor of future picks. Utah and Indiana come to mind. Either move up or move out.

Also, there are several teams with multiple picks (order not yet final) or that could be willing to move one or more:

• Brooklyn: 21, 22, 51
• Indiana: 8, 26, 29, 32, 55
• Charlotte: 4, 27, 34, 39, 42
• Utah: 9, 16, 28
• Golden State: 20
• Orlando: 6, 12, 36
• Atlanta: 15, 46

In particular those marked in red could be suitable for trading up from our 2nd rounders,

[Mr. Body]

Holy crap to Indiana and Charlotte. They really need to move up or get those picks traded for future ones. That's crazy.

[Chinook]

It was on draft night and there are plenty of similar moves, and that was in the days where teams didn't have that many to trade. Nowadays 2nd rounders have become mainstream currency with a small number of teams hoarding a good chunk of them and many others completely devoid, so I wouldn't be surprised if a playoff team that doesn't want to add a guaranteed rookie scale contract opts instead to collect 3 or 4 second rounders to dump salary or get a rotation vet by the trade deadline.

I don't think it's very likely that the Spurs can get a decent first for seconds. Yes, it has happened, but I think it's more likely they give up a future first and 33 or 44 to get such a pick. For the right player, that's a perfectly fine outcome. It's using their future assets while they still have their value uncompromised by needing to get rid of them to avoid too many rookie contracts.

So something like 44 and the Charlotte first back to the Hornets for 27. Or maybe 33 and 44 and the first to Charlotte for 27 and 39. Maybe have the Hornets throw in another future second to the pile. The Spurs draft whomever they want at the end of the first and still have an okay second to use on their new two-way spot. The Hornets free up their first to trade as they try to make a win-now move.

The Spurs should absolutely look to trade away bundles of seconds before they get stuck with them, and I do think as collections, they have more utility around the league than they used to. But that doesn't mean they'll always be able to get what they want for those bundles. Most teams at the bottom of the first will be looking to move up, not down.

[Chinook]

Holy crap to Indiana and Charlotte. They really need to move up or get those picks traded for future ones. That's crazy.

Yep, and it's what the Spurs need to avoid by trading their extra picks before the year they come due. Those teams are going to have to take a loss on some of those picks. The second-rounders are probably only going to be sold for cash. Ariel hopes they'd get seconds for them, but I don't see any of those teams in red having any interest in doing that. They need better picks, not more picks.

[duncan2150]

i'm more skeptical about Indiana and Charlotte who already have 5 picks each, they will not trade for more picks imo.

[Chinook]

Only Golden State really makes sense given their cap situation. The Spurs could trade 33 one of their protected firsts and maybe take a bit of bad salary to make a compelling offer. Saving that guaranteed rookie salary might be intriguing for the Warriors. Then still take a two-way with 44. It's hard to see what ballast would make sense for GS though. I doubt they want to give up on Moody or Kuminga yet.

[Mr. Body]

Yeah that late first round environment is not looking good to move into. It's essentially controlled by Indiana, Charlotte, and Utah. Higher up are Portland, Memphis, and Sacramento. I could see them potentially wanting to move, but it would take something to really get it done, e.g. a future first.

I see the Spurs as picking their lotto guy, using the 33, and then trading or selling the 44. They tend to be very conservative with draft day trades plus they already have a slew of young players to figure out.

[Ariel]

Only Golden State really makes sense given their cap situation. The Spurs could trade 33 one of their protected firsts and maybe take a bit of bad salary to make a compelling offer. Saving that guaranteed rookie salary might be intriguing for the Warriors. Then still take a two-way with 44. It's hard to see what ballast would make sense for GS though. I doubt they want to give up on Moody or Kuminga yet.

Memphis could be a candidate as well, they move up and down, in an out all the time, and are always searching for value rather than gambles. Maybe they have a guy they feel confident they can get at 32/33 and are willing to gamble for the right price. Anyway, I'm not a psychic and I can't will anything into happening, it's laying out possible scenarios more than anything.

[ace3g]

[rascal]

Yep, and it's what the Spurs need to avoid by trading their extra picks before the year they come due. Those teams are going to have to take a loss on some of those picks. The second-rounders are probably only going to be sold for cash. Ariel hopes they'd get seconds for them, but I don't see any of those teams in red having any interest in doing that. They need better picks, not more picks.

That's why I've been saying targeting Utah with their 16th pick is the best move with the Toronto first next year. Utah as three first round picks this year and none next year so this might be incentive for them to move one of their picks this year for a first next year.

[jjspur]

I would try this trade with our old pals in Toronto :

Toronto's #13 pick in this years draft for
The Spurs pick (from Toronto) in next years draft, if they're stubborn add one of the three 2025 second round picks we already own.
Some team will make a reach and I think some talent may fall to the bottom half of the lottery and could be available at 13. Jordan Hawkins, Keyonte George ,Cam Whitmore (not likely but great if he did). There will be value picks at the end of the lottery and this could be our way to get it. Do this and we can sell or trade our second round picks. You just have to project if this years talent is better or worse than next years.

[spurraider21]

Spurs already have Graham. If Spurs use the Raptor pick at 44, I think Flagler stays at Austin for a couple of years. He does seem to move better than Forbes

Graham is basically expiring (he only as 2.8 mil guaranteed for 24-25). and for a volume 3pt specialist, he only hits about 35-36% of them

[mo7888]

That's why I've been saying targeting Utah with their 16th pick is the best move with the Toronto first next year. Utah as three first round picks this year and none next year so this might be incentive for them to move one of their picks this year for a first next year.

I wouldn't move that Toronto pick for the 16th this year. Toronto looks 'unsettled' right now so I'd gamble on the upside there. I'd rather target GS with the future Cha 1st + salary relief + 44. I expect someone pretty good to still be available at 20. I could see one of Rupert, Coulibaly, Jackson II, or Murray still on the board at 20.

[exstatic]

Graham is basically expiring (he only as 2.8 mil guaranteed for 24-25). and for a volume 3pt specialist, he only hits about 35-36% of them

League average is slightly below 35% these days, and he can create his own, and shoot it off the bounce. He’s absolutely not chopped liver.