2023 NBA Draft - Workout Tracker

**Ariel** · 05-11-2023

^ Out of those teams Cleveland, Philly and Denver used up pretty much all of their future picks (can trade swaps only) and Milwaukee has one far out that I'm sure will like to spend on whatever they can to keep Giannis happy, which for sure isn't some random rookie. I think they'll try to use a far out unprotected plus swaps in a trade in the mold of what the Lakers did. Boston does have some future picks to use, but again, they've been trading them out and I think they'll want more value out of their pick than #33 (last couple of times they got Derrick White and Malcom Brogdon). So I don't think that's a very likely scenario. Maybe Memphis' 25 for #33 + #44 + a couple future 2nds?

**spurraider21** · 05-12-2023

Originally Posted by exstatic

Signature bet. Loser has to change their sig to read [winners screen name] knows contracts better than I do until the end of the next regular season.

Deal

**mo7888** · 05-12-2023

Originally Posted by rascal

So the Toronto pick will fall between 7 and 15 you're saying? I'm saying it won't.

Yes, I am saying that... In fact,I'm quite confident of it. The best argument I could make to move the Toronto pick is that the draft this year is a good bit stronger than next year's. That said, I could seen Toronto being a bottom 6 team next year and our pick getting pushed back to 2025. I think it's more likely that it conveys in that 7-15 range though.

**spurraider21** · 05-12-2023

Originally Posted by Chinook

I don't think that's a great bet given that the MLE will be at about that level in 2024. Do I think Graham will reach that level? No. Could I see a scenario where he could get the full MLE from someone? Yes. If he plays well enough this year to not be waived, I could see him either getting a small extension ala Josh Richardson with Boston or being signed by a team who thinks he's a rotation guard. He like Richardson has fooled teams in the past. Speaking of Josh, it'll be interesting to see where he falls in terms of contract. I think he'll get the TPMLE 1-and-1 from some contender. But maybe someone stills seems more than that?

while cap numbers arent known for sure, even under the new cba, im not even sure the full non taxpayer MLE would be above 12 mil this summer (maybe by next year when the spurs presumably release him and eat the guaranteed portion of his salary)

he got his 4 year deal as an ascending, relatively young player (was 26, but also just 3 years into his career). he'd basically have to have a career year to get more than MLE type of money, in which case the spurs probably just retain him, and then we have to ask what his market would look like as a 30 year old free agent in the 2025 offseason

**rascal** · 05-12-2023

Originally Posted by mo7888

Yes, I am saying that... In fact,I'm quite confident of it. The best argument I could make to move the Toronto pick is that the draft this year is a good bit stronger than next year's. That said, I could seen Toronto being a bottom 6 team next year and our pick getting pushed back to 2025. I think it's more likely that it conveys in that 7-15 range though.

We will revisted this when it doesn't happen. toronto is going to be better next year. They are going to make some trades/moves to improve the team.

**exstatic** · 05-12-2023

Originally Posted by spurraider21

while cap numbers arent known for sure, even under the new cba, im not even sure the full non taxpayer MLE would be above 12 mil this summer (maybe by next year when the spurs presumably release him and eat the guaranteed portion of his salary)

he got his 4 year deal as an ascending, relatively young player (was 26, but also just 3 years into his career). he'd basically have to have a career year to get more than MLE type of money, in which case the spurs probably just retain him, and then we have to ask what his market would look like as a 30 year old free agent in the 2025 offseason

He won’t be a FA until 2024, 2025 if someone decides to pay his full option year. The most likely scenario is that someone (probably a cap/tax heavy contender) trades for him at the 2024 deadline, cuts him that summer to get the payroll savings, and he hits the market at 29. Between now and then, there will be a cap bump this July hiatus, and another one in July 2024.

**spurraider21** · 05-12-2023

Originally Posted by exstatic

He won’t be a FA until 2024, 2025 if someone decides to pay his full option year. The most likely scenario is that someone (probably a cap/tax heavy contender) trades for him at the 2024 deadline, cuts him that summer to get the payroll savings, and he hits the market at 29.

right. but if he plays well enough to justify a contract earning more than 12 mil per year, then you'd think whoever trades for him wouldn't cut him as his ~12 mil salary for 24-25 would be his market value, and they'd either keep a market value player, or just trade him to a team that wants graham and believes his contract is fair market value.

i dont know how much precedent there is for a player being released and then also being signed for more money by other team. im sure its happened, just seems like an unlikely scenario. imo your best bet at winning this is graham puts together 2 very strong years and doesnt hit FA until summer 2025 due to said strong play. plus by then MLE would be higher and might be above the 12 mil threshold of the bet

**mo7888** · 05-12-2023

Originally Posted by rascal

We will revisted this when it doesn't happen. toronto is going to be betetr next year. They are going to make some trades/moves to improve the team.

I look forward to it

**ambchang** · 05-12-2023

I still remember the days when Gary Payton, after a made basket, would scream “$12M” to remind everybody he’s one of the best in the league and commands that hefty price tag. Now? It’s MLE.

**BackHome** · 05-12-2023

Originally Posted by spurraider21

Deal

Damn now that is a serious bet!

**ace3g** · 05-14-2023

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**Maddog** · 05-14-2023

Originally Posted by ambchang

I still remember the days when Gary Payton, after a made basket, would scream “$12M” to remind everybody he’s one of the best in the league and commands that hefty price tag. Now? It’s MLE.

Well yes
But adjusted for inflation 12 million in 2001 is roughly 20.
That said I think (someone please correct me I'm to lazy to do the research) NBA salaries has outpaced inflation.
Would make sense as world wide popularity has increased

**ace3g** · 05-20-2023

**RC_Drunkford** · 05-21-2023

sheesh, when's the last time somebody from Princeton got drafted?

**exstatic** · 05-21-2023

Originally Posted by RC_Drunkford

sheesh, when's the last time somebody from Princeton got drafted?

HOFer Bill Bradley was drafted by the Knicks second overall.

**PhantomDashCam** · 05-25-2023

According to Rookie Wire, Nae’qwan Tomlin has had a recent workout with the Spurs.

Edit: Apologies to Ace, forget he had posted about this already earlier in the thread.