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I like that...those are definitely the kind of deal that we can take advantage of..
That’s cute. In all seriousness it sounds like with the new CBA there will be a lot of incentive for teams to shed salary. Im definitely holding out for the best deal. My fave right now does involve the Nets though:
SAS: Harris + Patty + 20th pick
BKN: Graham + Berch [+ net 9M in cap relief]
I like that...those are definitely the kind of deal that we can take advantage of..
I can't see Brooklyn dropping one of those picks just to shed salary. Graham isn't worth much.
interesting breakdown and way of looking at the roster. id probably move Collins up to the Keldon tier, and vassell into the sochan tier.
We should probably get a person more steeped in CBA in here, but apparently it is punitive for teams that continue to stay over the tax going forward. The Nate Duncan podcast was saying the expected a very busy trade off season for this reason.
Sure, but they're really not in bad shape next year and then the following they have a ton of contracts coming off the books. If they have to shed some salary, there are other ways to do it than give away a good pick for nothing.
It’s more complicated than that. They were a luxury tax team last year, and are projected to be over the cap this year too BEFORE making decisions on Cam Johnson and Seth Curry. That relief in my proposal may well be want allows them to keep Johnson for example.
I've posted elsewhere that Brooklyn doesn't have any picks next year, in 2024. The Charlotte and Toronto picks are awkward to trade. The first may not convey, the second may be too valuable.
Marks also really does well drafting value, so may really like those 21 and 22 picks. You can get good talent on phenomenal salary scales.
But there might be something there.
I don't see them trading a FRP just for some cap relief.
I there's a decent chance that they will since they have two picks in the same range. That fact will make it an easier sell to their fanbase.
I mean, no? You guys have a weird fantasy going here. They're likely to move up with them than anything.
They have wings that will be coveted that they'll move in O'Neal and Finney-Smith.
Oh, look, they also have an eighteen million dollar trade exception from the Durant trade. They're fine all around.
I do think folks are way overrating the value the Spurs can offer just for taking contracts. I think the Nets might take advantage of the irrational market for Bridges and sucker Portland out of the third pick and likely save a decent amount of money without simply dumping contracts. They need to get under the second apron by next summer to avoid freezing their pick. They'll accomplish that easily. They might just not want the pick, of course, and maybe SA can take advantage of that by offering a future first or 33 plus some other minor assets. But saving money right now isn't something I think they care to do. Even if they want to get rid of Simmons, they can hold on for one more year and dump with with a lower first rather than paying a bunch now.
I hope we don't have another Westbrook situation where folks convince themselves the Spurs are going to be able to slide in and get really good value only to see them not make a deal at all.
How do you get from me saying there's a 'decent chance" to that being a weird fantasy? It's not nearly as cut and dried as you are making it seem. There are alot of things in play for alot teams right now with this new CBA, roster construction/constraints, and balancing that with selling it all to your fanbase. A team like Brooklyn, with a trade exception they aren't likely to use, who's over the cap in multiple years, and with multiple picks late in the first rd where they aren't nearly as valuable is going to entertain doing something with one of those picks. Are we going to offer the best package to give them relief? I have no idea, but there's a decent chance they move one of them to someone and that there's cap relief involved with that.
My brother in Christ, the Nets are not going to sell you a pick to cut salary.
Utah receives: Westbrook (46.3M), Toscano-Anderson (2.1M), Damian Jones (2,3M). Total received: 50.7M (the 2 former are expiring, only Jones has 1 more year at a similar figure)
Utah sends: Conley (22.7M), Beasley (15.6M), Vanderbilt (4.4M), Alexander-Walker (5M). Total sent: 47.7
So basically Utah took on an extra 3M for a few months, Westbrook was used as a salary filler, not a salary dump for 2 years 80M like Ben Simmons would have to be. Totally different scenarios. Brooklyn can choose to keep Simmons and Tsai can choose to pay as much luxury tax as he wants, but if they want to move that contract, it's going to take some MASSIVE incentive.
I don't know if people are worried about which contract was worse. The conversation as far as I see it is with folks trying to insist that Brooklyn, Dallas or whomever is going to give up picks because they want to get rid of guys badly enough to give the Spurs all this leverage. The Nets don't really have much of a need to do that. The Spurs have way more compe ion for cap space this year, and Nets have so many options to save money while getting value. The Westbrook saga showed why STers thinking they had the leverage situation figured out didn't, and a lot of those posters are making the same arguments now. I hope they make those arguments with more caution this time around.
Not sure the Spurs would want a 2nd rookie on the roster this season, but I've been very impressed with Brandin Podziemski. Left handed, such a pure shot that doesn't even touch the rims, decent secondary ballhandler and passer, tough, has a nice floater and can even score inside, although that's probably not translating to the NBA. His shot and movement alone should make him a surefire NBA player, though. He's also a better athlete than he appears at first, judging by some of the combine measures.
Brandon's floor would be Michael Jordan but with a much higher ceiling...
Man if the spurs want a player they should spend assets to get it.prior to wemby getting future draft assets was fine, but that secret plan the spurs were working on in the event they drafted wemby, surely has trade demands.
Other teams know about wemby time and arent going give us a deal easily. They know about our pick haul. We should give out two SRP just for teams picking up the phone
Glad you're not running our front office.
What happens if Wemby's worst case comes true and he breaks down because he can't handle the duration of the NBA season and the physicality? It might be nice to hold on to those ATL picks, just in case. That would be a second window to drafting a potential superstar like Cam Boozer.
I might agree that Brooklyn isn't URGED to move Simmons, but sure as could try to do so eventually, since he's their only negative contract on the books beyond '23-'24, with Bridges and Finney Smith making a combined 40M for the next 2 seasons. Now even if you still have to add Cam Johnson, Nic Claxton, and Dinwiddie and 'Royce ONeal's new deals, they could very well add a max player or more if they dump Simmons, like Jaylen Brown, Sabonis, Siakam, OG Anunoby, Dejounte, etc. If they don't think they can land any of those, then yes, let his contract run out and make a splash in '25. But it's definitely not an unreasonable proposal.
I seen GG Jackson fall into the early 2nd round in some mocks cause he worked out while being sick and missed a lot of shots. GG for a 2nd rounder would be a damn steal
It's very unlikely he goes beyond the late first. I think he'll go early 20s at latest.
Which could be a mistake. Someone posted that there has never been a player who has succeeded even as a role-player who posted a BPM <1 the year they came into the draft. This year those players are Emoni Bates, Nick Smith Jr., Jalen Hood-Schifino, and GG Jackson.
I think NSJ is possibly a special case. I think JHS came out a year too early. Emoni Bates just sucks. And GG Jackson is really actually very poor.
But I agree - if he's there with a SRP why not.
Bates is awful. 7’4” 300# Zach Edey had a faster lane agility time.
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