Yeah, processing all this stuff, I'm coming to terms with not wanting to be aggressive trading up. Keep the powder dry. They can figure out what to do with six draft picks next year (!!).
Future strategies include flipping picks ahead, to be used when our own picks are late first rounders.
We also still have a ton of cap space that can be used to 'help' teams, by which we can accrue more.
I don't know if the SRPs we have will be worth much in trade; we may wind up selling them.
This year, I hold hope we can possibly move the 33 and next year's CHA to this year's GSW or BKN (19, 21, or 22), if 'our guy' is there. But honestly feel they're looking at exactly the same player(s) we are.
I think the "wanting to get off salary" piece, at least as a factor, gets underrated especially if you believe the Larry Coons, Bobby Marks, etc. types on the impacts of the new CBA. It would be useful to know which teams are most desperate to move off money, and build that in to the analysis.
I'm not arguing this point at all, but wouldn't it really be 3 years in a row (with an extra mid-year if you count Derrick). Derozan, (White), Murray, Keldon. Maybe the Spurs are more comfortable than we think with this.
i'm ready to moove the charlotte pick and our secound rounds and then see what you got
imo the raptors pick is valuable, not so protected and raps could not make the playoffs next year
top ten looks out of reach, maybe pick 10, lottery also, imo a pick in the 20's could be interesting if i have a true target
Lets let the dust settle and then see if a trade is possible that will seriously help us. I think we are getting too high on going high. The consensus on this draft early on was that after the top two-five picks, the pickings of high ceiling players were slim and none
If you’re willing to give those picks why not throw 2 more assets for Scoot?
if he hits and is Rose/Westbrook type you have 4-5yrs where you could really build a great team around those salaries.
I think you go all out for Scoot or target JHS or Sasser at the end of the first or 33 and potentially go after Collier next year if they don’t pan out.
My gut is Spurs FO see too many unknowns with their current assets/roster alongside Wemby to make any big moves into the early to mid 1st round. The risk of not knowing what you had (before you traded it away) is too great vs the very high cost of trading up (for another unknown). My point is, everything is TBD with Wemby pairings until mid/late next season, so why pay an arm and a leg for another TBD.
I could see them trading up to 20+ for a player they covet, that has fallen down the draft order, and getting a good deal on that trade-up. A double bargain.
Other than that, I think it’s a pretty low-key draft for us. Minus, you know, drafting Victor Wembanyama.
The Spurs know what they have. Some of these guys have been in the league a few years now.
They know an upgrade at pg is needed and perimeter shooting.
The Spurs will never be contenders with the current roster as is even with Wemby so I want to see a proactive approach in trying to acquire another fisrt round pick to address pg or shooting.
Just letting Wemby fall into your lap and do nothing else is passive.
Wright gives me hope something will happen with a trade unlike past years where the FO was way too conservative in making moves.
I agree 100%. We have to move some of these picks no matter what we do at some point. Why not go after a potential star in scoot. Historically if the picks aren’t in the top 3 the chances of drafting a star go down significantly. Only assets not on the table are the Hawks picks IMO. Time to take the bat out and take a swing. If you miss we still have a solid core and assets to not be set back that much.
I agree
Try to keep the Atlanta unprotected picks and everything else even the spurs picks are on the table for trade.
There are some solid pg options in this year's draft.
Look at how weak last year's draft class was in pgs.
Spurs need to be proactive and try hard to make a trade to move into the first round and get their targeted pg this year.
Double post
The Atlanta picks possibly being high lottery could be what could get you a disgruntled star, with Doncic the dream scenario. Wonder if the Spurs can trade the unprotected Hawks pick swap and the #1 protected Celtics pick swap too though. Not sure if the CBA allows that, but those could be some extremely valuable pieces to make a win now move in a couple of years.
Are we able to to add protections and trade picks that aren't ours? For example, could we trade the Atl picks with Top 8 protection, so that 1-8 it is ours, otherwise it goes to the other team? It would have to be a one shot deal, since obviously we can't carry the pick over to the following year (but perhaps it turns into a Spurs Top 6 protected pick the following year?)
Yes Pelicans did it last year.
To me, the most important is that: Spurs do not need to do a trade.
They will talk to other teams because they have some trading assets and they could use another good rookie but they won't force the issue. If teams are asking for too much to trade their pick, Spurs will just do nothing and be fine with that.
It's a nice place to be for Spurs' FO.
We are not really in position to get into the lottery. Every scenario just does not make sense. We are losing too much value without a pick anywhere close to that range.
Just keep 33. It’s probably just as valuable as say 25-30 given that late first round is more of an “eye of the beholder” place than anything else. “Their guy” could just fall into their laps naturally.
Wouldn’t mind just trying to rollover 44 to another year like they did last year.
Spurs grabbed Malaki and Blake last year in the 20s. I believe there might be one or two interesting guys in the 20s this year. If Bilal is still there after 15 for example, I'd like spurs to try to go and get him if the cost is right. If he's there after 20, no hesitation.
I don’t know anything about working in a front office, but maybe it works like this?
Out of all the scouting the team does for the draft, the output is a relatively small number of players to focus on.
They boil down the player’s strengths and weaknesses, incorporating team needs, into a rating, a value.
Each of their other existing players also have ratings, also incorporating things like corporate knowledge. There are ratings for how valuable they are to the Spurs, and how valuable they would be to other teams.
Each draft asset also has ratings based upon things like how likely they are to convey in what year, and in what slot.
Any trade this close to the draft would be based upon a specific player, rather than trading up to a slot just for its own sake.
Based upon their ratings system, the team would be able to assess what kinds of trade packages represent good value to acquire specific players they might want.
If they find another team where both agree the trade represents good value, then it happens. If not, then it doesn’t.
I think Keldon is a good player, but his trade value probably doesn't equal his actual value. GMs care if you win a post-season award or you make an all-star team. Murray was a backup addition to the all-star team after injuries. He was a solid player and worthy of a spot on the all-star team, but it took some injury luck for him to get the nod. Once he was an all-star, that legitimized his triple doubles etc. to the rest of the basketball world and allowed the Spurs to get a big haul when they traded him.
Portland will trade their pick but they want a piece that will help them contend for a le and Keldon and picks won't do that. Charlotte has no reason to trade their pick. If the player they pick pans out as projected, then that's way better than what they could trade for and they'd get their number two pick on a rookie contract. It would take something special for them to trade that pick and I don't know if they would do it for all the assets that we have to give. I mean, the Number 2 pick this year is the equivalent of the number 1 pick most years in the NBA.
I think rather than drafting a point guard, we should keep what we got and get Chris Paul. He will be a good leader for a young team, cost almost nothing to get, and then we can release him at the end of the year so he can join a contender and we can cut loose that salary. Then next year, with a draft pick that will likely be late lottery or in the teens, we may be able to trade for a good point guard prospect assuming that none of the young guys grab the mantle.
Going for Scoot is not a good idea, Scoot is doing a little bit of campaigning already by saying that the Spurs should consider him for the #1. Maybe I overreacting but doesn't sound good for me and it's not like he really wanted to play for the Spurs, it just happens that the Spurs have the #1 pick. It's quite a red flag for me that he seem cares more on his branding and sooner, gonna go something else (bigger market team). If the Spurs get him, he'll compete against Victor to be the ROTY to prove himself and it won't be healthy for the team.
Ironically, before the Spurs get the #1 pick is I don't mind him as a consolation pick/reward due to his character but it seems not looking good lately. Also quite getting off with players going with G-League instead off NCAA or some compe ive leagues since they are there to play without pressure while getting paid and just showcasing stats/highlights to rise their draft stock. Victor is currently still playing compe ively while Scoot didn't even finish his G-League season.
Damn. Bruno sighting.
While yes, the Spurs can be patient (Wemby will be a 19 year old rookie), it should also be noted that we have a lot of picks to spend, and its going to be challenging to simultaneously develop potentially 6 first round picks in a 2 year stretch. There is merit to consolidation. The other aspect is that there seems to be a consensus that this year's draft is better/deeper than next year. Not all #20 overall picks are equal.
Some chatter that Orlando might be okay trading their #11 away, although I feel they grab Gradey if he's still available. They may also try to consolidate and move up.
Magic fans note that they have a lot of young players to develop already. They don't think Coulibaly has a promise from them. They feel like they have their centerpieces in Franz and Banchero and like Fultz. Their main concern is shooting.
I still maintain the Spurs would need to get a later FRP to be attractive to move up, but I guess Orlando may want to trade for future draft capital. (No, I don't think McDermott moves the needle.)
Other teams may want that #11, too. My inexplicable gut is that the Spurs could try two first round picks (CHA, one of their own?) plus some SRPs, but feel like that won't do it. That spot will probably get you a Wallace or a Bufkin. Question is how much you want to pay.
I'm telling you, Body...two first rounders and McNuggets gets this done. , throw Graham in there and take back MAGA Isaac's ty contract and buy him out if needed....
Bufkin is a Manu/TP hybrid and belongs in San Antonio tbh
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