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    and here i thought bidet talk was the worse thread on the piss soaking forum.

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    Dear timvp.

    I assume you have "priviledges" here.

    Can you delete posts 2 through 24 (other than 19) in this thread.

    Thanks, Russ
    Just pull out of the thread, tbh.

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    Not sure if itís kosher to move on from the pun-gasim on page 1, but anyway Iíll be first in the raza line to get a Jaime Jaquez jersey.

    Donít underrate how big a deal that would be

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    Just pull out of the thread, tbh.
    he's too soft tbh. will never last

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    If PATFO really like someone who's obtainable in 20-25 range, it should be fairly easy to move up with 33 and a couple more second round picks.

    I can't say that I know much about any of these players other than top5 candidates, but if Spurs really want to get a better PG than Tre, then draft isn't it unless they can get into top10 by some miracle.
    There's no way a late first rounder or even a second rounder would be good enough to contribute right away.

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    Give me Amari Bailey, Brandin Podziemski, or Tristan Vukcevic at 33. Would love either one of those picks.

    Jaquez will likely be gone but I like his game too.

    TJD didn’t shoot much at Indy but he shot it well from 3 at the combine and if he can replicate that at the next level (big if), he’d be a major steal at 33 despite his age imo.

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    we should be doing everything possible to consolidate our SRPs even if we dont get good value for them

    with the sheer volume of FRPs we are expected to have in the next several years, its going to be hard enough to find space/time to develop all of those picks, let alone some random SRP dart throws. even if the charlotte pick doesnt convey, the result there is they send us 2 more SRPs. same with the toronto pick.

    any SRP we actually make is a failure in my book

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    Not sure if itís kosher to move on from the pun-gasim on page 1, but anyway Iíll be first in the raza line to get a Jaime Jaquez jersey.

    Donít underrate how big a deal that would be
    Thanks for moving on from puns (I'm actually sincere about that, much appreciated).

    As for the rest . . .

    I agree with you on Jaime Jaquez -- man, he's really gonna be a difference-maker.

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    A good list, and it's worth mentioning timvp had Wesley and Branham high on his list last year.

    To me, I have to break things down further. There are players I'd like to have there, but would I give up assets to get them? Jarace Walker would be nice to have, but I woudn't use up the capital and assets required to get him. He doesn't serve an outright need and his skill package isn't so incredible it suggests going deep into the bag to get him makes sense. Then there are others, the Podziemski or Jackson-Davis, who wouldn't cost as much or might just be there at 33.

    I maintain there are only a few players worth going deep into the bag for, and it's because it's rare to find PG prospects who are good defenders while also not being at offensive skills. It's very rare. And obviously a team need. I can see going deep for shooting, but to me that would be overpaying. You can get shooting cheaper elsewhere. There's shooting every draft.

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    A good list, and it's worth mentioning timvp had Wesley and Branham high on his list last year.

    To me, I have to break things down further. There are players I'd like to have there, but would I give up assets to get them? Jarace Walker would be nice to have, but I woudn't use up the capital and assets required to get him. He doesn't serve an outright need and his skill package isn't so incredible it suggests going deep into the bag to get him makes sense. Then there are others, the Podziemski or Jackson-Davis, who wouldn't cost as much or might just be there at 33.

    I maintain there are only a few players worth going deep into the bag for, and it's because it's rare to find PG prospects who are good defenders while also not being at offensive skills. It's very rare. And obviously a team need. I can see going deep for shooting, but to me that would be overpaying. You can get shooting cheaper elsewhere. There's shooting every draft.
    yep. as a reminder

    https://www.spurstalk.com/spurs-big-...022-nba-draft/

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    getting sensitive over puns . "I'm actually sincere about that."

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    As long as doesn't shrink in big moments, we need him to score from deep.

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    I think he had an earlier one with the pair of them even higher than this.

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    Anthony Black is #3 on the big board and Cason Wallace is #7. Kobe Bufkin is #8. They are contrasted with the “high-risk, high-reward” prospects like Amen Thompson.

    While timvp says there is no realistic trade to get Scoot Henderson, he is silent on that point for the other guys.


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    Jaime Jaquez, who realistically could be available at #33, is 14th on the big board.

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    Anthony Black is #3 on the big board and Cason Wallace is #7. Kobe Bufkin is #8. They are contrasted with the “high-risk, high-reward” prospects like Amen Thompson.

    While timvp says there is no realistic trade to get Scoot Henderson, he is silent on that point for the other guys.

    I don't see the fascination with Anthony Black. Mr. Body says Scoot can't shoot but Black is even worse.

    Black's game looks slow to me, a better college player than an NBA player. Outside of Miller will be the biggest bust inside the top ten.

    Rather have Bufkin or Jalen Hood-Shifino at a lower cost.

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    Jaime Jaquez, who realistically could be available at #33, is 14th on the big board.
    I can see the Spurs targeting Jaquez and slot him in a Manu role.

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    I don't see the fascination with Anthony Black. Mr. Body says Scoot can't shoot but Black is even worse.

    Black's game looks slow to me, a better college player than an NBA player. Outside of Miller will be the biggest bust inside the top ten.

    Rather have Bufkin or Jalen Hood-Shifino at a lower cost.
    I'm also uncertain about Anthony Black and at this point would prolly take Kobe Bufkin at a lower price point. Black's slow release does scare me, and I think by getting him you project having him and Sochan on the same starting unit eventually. I think they can be twin terrors on defense and they see the floor similarly, but neither will be a great shooter nor a volume shooter. Meanwhile, Bufkin has no real weaknesses. Maybe a jack-of-all trades, no elite skills problem? While he's not a pure point, once he took more of the team reins next to erson he was really showing out, esp. in his shooting numbers.

    Scoot vs. Black

    To me, a no contest, however. I take Black every time for this team. The combination of playmaking, defense, and processing is very high. He's a very smart player. Scoot has high attributes and more 'star' quality. But he's high usage, small, not a good defender, and will need the ball to make plays. Black's first response to what he wants to give a team is "I want to make my teammates better." Scoot wants to be the man, he wants to be the star. I think the likelihood of Black crapping out is higher, but this will be masked by Scoot having consistent high numbers for a bad team that will mask the fact that he's a big reason the team is bad. I also don't think Scoot is that great of an athlete or Black is that bad of one. Black is just much more deliberate and controlled in his actions, very pacey, a hard thing to learn.

    So honestly I think I'm pulling more for Bufkin. I think the risks with Black purely on the 'we already have Sochan' level are pretty high. They're honestly doing a lot of the same things and have the same problems. I'm not sold on Bufkin as a slam dunk, but think he's very underrated, although that's changing.

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    I'm also uncertain about Anthony Black and at this point would prolly take Kobe Bufkin at a lower price point. Black's slow release does scare me, and I think by getting him you project having him and Sochan on the same starting unit eventually. I think they can be twin terrors on defense and they see the floor similarly, but neither will be a great shooter nor a volume shooter. Meanwhile, Bufkin has no real weaknesses. Maybe a jack-of-all trades, no elite skills problem? While he's not a pure point, once he took more of the team reins next to erson he was really showing out, esp. in his shooting numbers.

    Scoot vs. Black

    To me, a no contest, however. I take Black every time for this team. The combination of playmaking, defense, and processing is very high. He's a very smart player. Scoot has high attributes and more 'star' quality. But he's high usage, small, not a good defender, and will need the ball to make plays. Black's first response to what he wants to give a team is "I want to make my teammates better." Scoot wants to be the man, he wants to be the star. I think the likelihood of Black crapping out is higher, but this will be masked by Scoot having consistent high numbers for a bad team that will mask the fact that he's a big reason the team is bad. I also don't think Scoot is that great of an athlete or Black is that bad of one. Black is just much more deliberate and controlled in his actions, very pacey, a hard thing to learn.

    So honestly I think I'm pulling more for Bufkin. I think the risks with Black purely on the 'we already have Sochan' level are pretty high. They're honestly doing a lot of the same things and have the same problems. I'm not sold on Bufkin as a slam dunk, but think he's very underrated, although that's changing.
    Agree with you on Bufkin but not on Scoot. I take Scoot every time. I'm confident in Scoot's shot and he's a more explosive and quicker player and a better passer. Had double the assits as Black although Black is not a bad passer, I'm not saying that.

    Black is just slower than Scoot in gettting to the basket. He can get away with it in college but quickness is more important in the NBA.

    Scoot has far more potential and I like the offense will sometimes go through him as you can't put all the offense as the only go to scorer on Wemby all the time. Wemby is going to need another go to offensive scorer to take the focus off him at times.

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    Agree with you on Bufkin but not on Scoot. I take Scoot every time. I'm confident in Scoot's shot and he's a more explosive and quicker player and a better passer. Had double the assits as Black although Black is not a bad passer, I'm not saying that.

    Black is just slower than Scoot in gettting to the basket. He can get away with it in college but quickness is more important in the NBA.

    Scoot has far more potential and I like the offense will sometimes go through him as you can't put all the offense as the only go to scorer on Wemby all the time. Wemby is going to need another go to offensive scorer to take the focus off him at times.
    I have no interest in Henderson whatsoever. I would have taken him if we had to, maybe. He's this generation's John Wall or similar. He'll make tons and tons of money and then become one of the worst contracts in the league and never actually do anything.

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    Anyway, I posted this a while back. Some interesting coaches' takes on various players. You can read between the lines, or not even have to, on some of these guys.

    https://www.on3.com/news/nba-draft-c...d-draft-picks/

    A Big 10 coach: “An aggressive driver. Good in the ball screen and dribble handoff actions, and we had to make him work. He needed to see bodies, and we forced him into tough twos. He is a better shooter than the numbers show and more explosive downhill. Really impressed with the jump he made this year after a relatively quiet freshman year.”

    A Big 10 coach: “A dynamic guard with great length, capable of going on big scoring runs. Very good in transition and finishing. Want to make his touches hard and be physical with his drives. He cooked us and made some very tough shots. I would say you have to limit the looks from three and, be physical, try to support early in the gaps on penetration.

    A Big 10 coach: “He was a complete combo guard. He would have been an 18-19 point guy easily if Hunter ( inson) was not the first option and a lot of sets were run for Jett (Howard). I think he’s a lottery talent.”


    That's the stuff on Bufkin. Basically, teams were forced to gameplan Bufkin on screens and DHOs or else he'd make them pay. They had to either hedge with the screener's man or even pull help defenders into the area. With a guy like Wembanyama, that could be lethal. I also like his toughness. Apparently he popped a dislocated finger back into place late in one game, sank his free throws, and then hit two threes.

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    If PATFO really like someone who's obtainable in 20-25 range, it should be fairly easy to move up with 33 and a couple more second round picks.
    Well, no.

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    As long as doesn't shrink in big moments, we need him to score from deep.
    Don't worry, showed a lot of mobility and verticality at the combine.

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    I have no interest in Henderson whatsoever. I would have taken him if we had to, maybe. He's this generation's John Wall or similar. He'll make tons and tons of money and then become one of the worst contracts in the league and never actually do anything.
    I also see some Westbrook in Henderson. An athletic, energetic PG who will never really get the concept of team ball.

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    I don't see the fascination with Anthony Black. Mr. Body says Scoot can't shoot but Black is even worse.

    Black's game looks slow to me, a better college player than an NBA player. Outside of Miller will be the biggest bust inside the top ten.

    Rather have Bufkin or Jalen Hood-Shifino at a lower cost.
    Black is a safe pick. I don't think there's much of a chance that he busts(insert Gradey joke here), bit I also don't think there's much of a chance that he lives up to what's expected of a top 10 pick. He should be a solid player though. I'd rather go for a bit higher of a ceiling if we go for a PG/SG archetype.

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