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    You’re right. I did mix up those two. Holland aint killing it,though.
    I actually think heís looked quite interesting this season, even though itís still early. Heís relentless and seems like a great defender already, decent on offense. Could be a nice option at PF depending on his size.

    https://youtu.be/UmBKdnX4apQ?feature=shared

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    Ron Holland hasnít played one minute in the gleague yet. Donít know what the deal is. Do you guys check to see how a player is playing, or even if theyíre playing before making your lists, or are you just caught up in the HS/AAU hype machine?
    You are the same type that says the G-League isn't good enough compe ion and that the Ignite aren't preparing kids for the league (just showcasing them).

    I'm not a draft guru or someone that wastes Ungodly amounts of time on college and G-League ball. I'm going off early draft board, hoops YouTubers I respect the opinion of etc.

    If Holland doesn't play that'll obviously effect his draft stock, but I'm going off info about him that's available. Sorry that I don't watch or stay 'plugged in' throughout the process and that seems to offend you.

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    I can't see the Spurs investing a significant asset at C when they've already got the best prospect at the position in 26 years, but Sarr would be interesting.

    It would mean committing heavily to two-big lineups and a big rotation (Sochan), with possibly no + 3-point shooting, going forward though.

    Carrington seems like the type of lead guard they've long appeared to covet.

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    You are the same type that says the G-League isn't good enough compe ion and that the Ignite aren't preparing kids for the league (just showcasing them).

    I'm not a draft guru or someone that wastes Ungodly amounts of time on college and G-League ball. I'm going off early draft board, hoops YouTubers I respect the opinion of etc.

    If Holland doesn't play that'll obviously effect his draft stock, but I'm going off info about him that's available. Sorry that I don't watch or stay 'plugged in' throughout the process and that seems to offend you.
    I wasn’t touting the league, just stating it as his current league. The sample sizes are small so far, so we’ll have to see what shakes out.

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    You are the same type that says the G-League isn't good enough compe ion and that the Ignite aren't preparing kids for the league (just showcasing them).

    I'm not a draft guru or someone that wastes Ungodly amounts of time on college and G-League ball. I'm going off early draft board, hoops YouTubers I respect the opinion of etc.

    If Holland doesn't play that'll obviously effect his draft stock, but I'm going off info about him that's available. Sorry that I don't watch or stay 'plugged in' throughout the process and that seems to offend you.
    Only 7 games, but Hollandís offensive rating so far is 75 and his defensive rating is 121. Thatís not getting him drafted top 5, maybe not lottery. Weíll see how he progresses.

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    I wasn’t touting the league, just stating it as his current league. The sample sizes are small so far, so we’ll have to see what shakes out.
    True, I just thought you were being dismissive of him based on 'hype' (or me feeding into said hype) and not on the archetype he could conceivably fit.

    All good, Exstatic.

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    I really like Rob Dillingham. He's a joy to watch, and he has Parker/AI quicks.





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    I really like Rob Dillingham. He's a joy to watch, and he has Parker/AI quicks.
    Of the Kentucky guys, my favorite is actually Sheppard to fly under the radar. White, short, looks like an average athlete so will probably be overlooked by front offices due to inherent biases, but with insanely efficient shooting across the board so far and is probably the best defender on the team.

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    Of the Kentucky guys, my favorite is actually Sheppard to fly under the radar. White, short, looks like an average athlete so will probably be overlooked by front offices due to inherent biases, but with insanely efficient shooting across the board so far and is probably the best defender on the team.
    can he pass tho

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    Of the Kentucky guys, my favorite is actually Sheppard to fly under the radar. White, short, looks like an average athlete so will probably be overlooked by front offices due to inherent biases, but with insanely efficient shooting across the board so far and is probably the best defender on the team.
    I doubt he's a one and done.

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    Guys I really like:

    PG: Dillingham, Collier, Topic, Boswell
    C: Adem Bona, Clingan, Sarr, Mara (a little unsure of Mara still)
    W: Castle, Ryan Dunn, Williams

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    6í10 pg matas buzelus

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    Of the Kentucky guys, my favorite is actually Sheppard to fly under the radar. White, short, looks like an average athlete so will probably be overlooked by front offices due to inherent biases, but with insanely efficient shooting across the board so far and is probably the best defender on the team.
    He’s going to the Kings or the Jazz. They love drafting white players.

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    He’s going to the Kings or the Jazz. They love drafting white players.
    I was thinking Utah as well haha. My prediction for ainge was that he’d trade markannen to okc for Giddey and like 3 first rounders, then tank for cooper Flagg next season. Giddey, sheppard, Flagg, and Kessler is actually a decent lineup that fits together pretty well

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    Only 7 games, but Holland’s offensive rating so far is 75 and his defensive rating is 121. That’s not getting him drafted top 5, maybe not lottery. We’ll see how he progresses.
    It's still too small of a sample size to make that big of a leap. He's essentially a college freshman (aged player) going against pro's. People knocked the Thompson twins and OTE all last year on here, but Ausar (and hopefully Amen) has proven a lot of doubters wrong thus far.

    If Collier and Holland continue to play poorly then both will fall down draft boards and out of that too 5 positioning. It's too soon for both to think it's happened already, though.

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    Guys I really like:

    PG: Dillingham, Collier, Topic, Boswell
    C: Adem Bona, Clingan, Sarr, Mara (a little unsure of Mara still)
    W: Castle, Ryan Dunn, Williams
    Good lists. As of today, Iím liking Collier with #2, and defensive wing specialist Dunn at #11. This will help fill two urgent weakness the team has, table setter and wing defense.

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    Good lists. As of today, I’m liking Collier with #2, and defensive wing specialist Dunn at #11. This will help fill two urgent weakness the team has, table setter and wing defense.
    or cody williamns at wing

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    It's still too small of a sample size to make that big of a leap. He's essentially a college freshman (aged player) going against pro's. People knocked the Thompson twins and OTE all last year on here, but Ausar (and hopefully Amen) has proven a lot of doubters wrong thus far.

    If Collier and Holland continue to play poorly then both will fall down draft boards and out of that too 5 positioning. It's too soon for both to think it's happened already, though.
    The Thompsons were hard to scout because of so much unusual context, but they at least accomplished what they were supposed to, going (iirc) 21-1. Holland is 0-7 so far. It's so much harder to scout these days than it used to be when guys played a couple of years in college. One of the red flags for me on Scoot Henderson was him not improving in terms of impact stats between his first and second year in the G League. Historically, great players make a big leap at those ages in terms of impact. Alex Sarr doesn't even start for his 7-5 Perth team, and is #7 in MPG, but some people still have him at #1. Pretty crazy... I can't wait to see how the rest of the year unfolds for all of them.

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    nice win for the raptors last night; they're currently 10th in the east.

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    nice win for the raptors last night; they're currently 10th in the east.
    Man I didnít realize the pick was only Top 6 protected this year (thought top 8 and the top 6 next year). So we want them to suck more, but not at our level so we get as close to 7 as possible. Memphis, GSW and Clippers getting right should help with some of that.

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    some mock drafts been updated with collier the top pg and going number 1....A pg who is averaging more tos then assist...Tho no other prospects havent really
    been doing anything amazing and been average...But still early,But nobody really standing out
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    ^ That's the latest espn top 5:
    1) Isaiah Collier
    2) Alex Sarr
    3) Zaccharie Risacher
    4) JaKobe Walter
    5) Ron Holland

    They have a nice article talking about these 5 players:
    https://www.espn.com/nba/insider/ins...-no-1-prospect


    It's off topic but a reason given why the Ignite team is struggling so much (they're 0-7 with losing by an average of 25 points per game), is that the G League has improved:
    A third two-way contract, increased salaries for Exhibit 10, standard G League contracts, and an improved willingness by NBA teams to send their draft picks on assignment (nearly half of the 2023 draft's first round has already logged time in the G League) all have made the league extremely deep, talented and compe ive.The league is brimming with former all-conference college players now in their 20s
    Dominick Barlow being the top scorer with 28ppg, while being only 20 years old, is noteworthy. At some point of the season, he should get a real chance to show what he can do with a spot in the rotation during multiple consecutive games.

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    ^ correct, and this is tied to increased chatter about expansion presumably to Seattle and LV or Mexico. There is just much more talent to justify it than before.

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    Give you Haliburton, but still not fully sold on Sengun until he stops giving all the points back with bad defense.
    Adrian Wojnarowski: Historic November for Pacers star Tyrese Haliburton, per ESPN Stats and Info/@StatsWilliams ē28.6 PPG ē11.7 APG ē53% FG ē47% 3-pt FG Only Michael Jordan (March 1989) and LeBron James (February 2017 and 2018) ever averaged 25 and 10 with 50 and 40 percent shooting in month. Ė via Twitter wojespn

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