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Interesting
I doubt he'll play in the combine- but you wonder how well this will translate to exponentially more athletic NBA
It's reassuring he's continuing to produce in the tournament
The most rational explanation I find for PATFO not tanking is that they don't see any player worth a top5 pick salary.
Someone posted the top10 salaries and it's actually insane for mostly one and dones that need years of developpement
I can see PATFO going for a Castle or Cody that can't shoot but have great potentials
Interesting
I doubt he'll play in the combine- but you wonder how well this will translate to exponentially more athletic NBA
It's reassuring he's continuing to produce in the tournament
This a very complicated case, Ariel. A lot of ins, lot of outs, lot of what have you's.
Dalton’s rebounding prowess combined with his scoring will make him really useful in lineups with Wemby
i think we all know that the team overall struggles to score in general and that’s due to the fact the team lacks players that can “get theirs”. This is why I am opposed to getting a draft prospect whose greatest strength is catch and shoot
What we also know is that while Tre is a positive in lineups with Wemby, that the team doesnt struggle to survive without him in it anymore. And when he is on the bench and Wesley is playing, the team shifts to a mode where anyone becomes the point guard. IMO, I still think it’s possible they won’t go traditional PG in their future plans, so we could see:
PG: Dalton
SG: Vassell
SF: Champagnie or free agent
PF: Sochan
C: Wemby
When the fear of missing out drives your decisions, it never bodes well IMO
I was on board with Dalton early on this board when he was mocked like late teens. I'm more onboard now. He has tons of on ball reps that takes 19 year olds years to learn in the NBA. Used to play point guard. Very patient in the pnr. Great shooter and scorer. Looks to have a good vertical. Looks to have a really great wingspan. We'll probably pick 5-7. I would take him there and look for more gradual Derrick White esque improvement (players can continue to get better). His defense on ball is questionable but basic pnr with Wemby could be incredible for the offense.
The impact of Spurs winning some games on their draft pick shouldn't be exaggerated.
Spurs will finish between the 3rd worst and 5th worth team:
- The 3rd worst team has a 52% odd of getting a top4 pick. If they don't get lucky, their pick will be centered around #6.
- The 5th worst team has a 42% odd of getting a top4 pick. If they don't get lucky, their pick will be centered around #7.
I rather see Spurs finishing in the bottom 3 but if they keep wining some games, it won't mean their pick will turn into trash. The 2019 changes on the draft lottery have been made to limit the benefit of hard tanking.
I suppose my initial comment about making Wemby happy is in response to the year long angst and dread of Wemby's happiness being the number one goal. I wouldn't bench Wemby but giving minutes to Cissoko could be a middle ground.
This isn’t a thing
It's not about superstar vs. trash, it's about missing on THAT guy. It can ultimately make a huge difference between drafting 3,4,5 or 6. Ask some teams through history about it. And we're nobody to say all the kids this year from 1 to 7 are completely equal. they won't have the same career. It's elite sport, the difference between good to great can be thin, and lie between a 3th or 5th pick.
I wanted Miller over Scoot last year. You could say "hey 2nd or 3rd that's still a great pick! Except If I had #3 instead of #2, I probably would have had to pick with Scoot who might end up as a good player but I believe MIller have more chances in modern NBA to be a bigger difference maker and more valuable player.
And it matters for the whole draft, where you want the highest pick you can no matter what, and one pick can make a huge difference. Spurs picked 28th in 2013 and you could say "hey, 28,27,29... Who cares?" Except they had Gobert as their choice at 28 who was picked...27th. Instead spurs picked Livio Jean Charles. A one pick difference at the bottom of the first round went from a future perennial defensive player of the year who could have been associated with Duncan to a player who never played for the spurs.
So yeah, you want no matter what the best possible pick to at least take the player YOU want, so you have no regrets... Then if it fails, it fails. But statiscally, the higher you pick the better the chances at a better player.
Last edited by JPB; 03-30-2024 at 09:45 AM.
Yeah that Sochan as a PG wasn’t a thing either until it was
JPB, I hear what you're saying. I think there is a lot of luck involved all around but it still comes down to talent evaluation. Passing on Halliburton and Sengun hurts, so even with a gifted opportunity it can be blown. Fingers crossed for this year. Though the talent may be hard to decipher, how the team chooses to make a plan to build the team is hugely important. Anyway.
I agree it's definitely possible. Dalton has played point guard before, which is a helpful distinction. He just outgrew the position as he hit a huge growth spurt. He has a lot of experience as lead ball handler in pnr situations. That's his potential upside that's overlooked, which I think is your point.
It’s great to see some of you see the big picture of a victor / Edey pairing!
Okc will a brick with us getting Edey; defense would be stupid once Eady started playing mean….
That one shouldn’t even sting a little. We have the far superior product now.
We don’t need a traditional point guard anyway, we need competent playmakers & shooters. Our offense will run through the VW moving forward.
Hali + Sengun or Vassell + VW? I say the VW combo…..celebrate being the cat that lands on your feet vs your head! Some here hasn’t figured that out
Getting the young players some wins to move into the offseason is more valuable than some percentage points in the lottery. Dropping a couple slots in this draft isn't a bad thing. You're not missing any great players and you'll pay less for who you do get.
Anyway, we could always pursue Murray. It would be a big jolt of iden y to the offense.
PG: Murray
SG: Vassell
SF: Dalton
PF: Sochan
C: Victor
With Murray, Dalton, Sochan all able to be solid rebounders without crowding the paint when Victor wants to play like a wing on offense, while being super versatile on defense and keeping Victor as the defensive anchor in the paint… I think that’s a lineup to be reckoned with.
Not too shabby but I’d prefer a:
Lavine
Vassell
Sochan
VW
Edey
Off course, teams want to pick as high as possible. My point is that the new draft lottery system flatten differences between the worst teams. The 5th worst team don't get on average a pick that is 2 slot worst than the 3rd.
For reference, average pick number for the worst teams with the current lottery system:
1: 3.7
2: 3.9
3: 4.1
4: 4.4
5: 5.0
lol Knecht as a pg wtf you guys smoking
That moment you realize the Spurs haven’t been tanking all season… this record is just the product of their terrible roster construction and coaching decisions…
And how did that go?
We cut Primo, remember?
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