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I don't understand how anyone can still be naïve enough to believe we actually still have a voice in this country.
It's an oligarchy. What the people want is irrelevant in the US.
I don't understand how anyone can still be naïve enough to believe we actually still have a voice in this country.
But what the Nazi's in Ukraine want is loaned, no, it is given on-the-spot.
Well, enough of a voice to chase President Trump around with bombs, swords and guns for the last 7 years and counting, bene-boy
Legitimacy derives from the consent of the governed. When the politicians pick the voters that ceases to happen.
Is that cool with you?
Both sides play by the same rules.
broadly I agree with that, but there are degrees of better and worse. short of total elimination of our voices things can always get worse, so it makes sense to fight for whatever we can get.
Not sure there are any Dem examples of extreme partisan/racial gerrymanders like Wisconsin and NC. It's misleading to pretend like it isn't much worse on one side of the divide.
that's a cop out
New York?
you sound unsure of yourself, maybe you should check your bull before running your mouth.
Trump President.
Not Clinton.
That's it & that's all.
In New York and Illinois, Democrats made big gains. In each state, they erased four Republican-leaning districts and created three Democratic-leaning ones (each state lost a seat due to population decline). New York’s new map will have 22 of 26 districts leaning to the left of the national average, and Illinois will have 14 of 17 tilted to the left. One potential hiccup for Democrats is that a lower court judge struck down the New York map, but so far the state’s high court has stayed that decision, and it’s not clear if it will go into effect.
In Oregon, which is gaining a seat due to population growth, Democrats drew a map with five Democratic-leaning districts and one Republican-leaning district — an improvement for them over the 3-2 status quo.
In Nevada, Democrats turned a map where three of four districts leaned Republican to one where three leaned Democratic.
In New Mexico, which had two Democratic-leaning districts and one GOP-leaning one, Democrats wiped away that Republican district in an attempt to create a 3-0 map.
That amounts to wiping out 12 Republican districts and creating 11 Democratic districts — an enormous impact on the overall map.
NY is far from the extremes of WI and NC. Not even close, rbh.
Gerrymandering legislative supermajorities in 50/50 states is the sort of thing I'm talking about. The dems haven't done that anywhere.
You keep voting for it so I have no sympathy.
Yeah they have. Maryland has been that gerrymandered to the hilt for longer than NC. Now GOP states do it much more often but this notion that dems are above the fray is just ignorant.
I didn't say they were.
What I said is that the analogy for Hofellered to maps doesn't exist yet in the Democratic side, not that Dems don't do it.
Swing and a miss.
Maryland is right up there. Not only that dems give them a pass when they redo it every cycle.
You act like an angry ex-wife every time CC posts. What gives?
I hear you, you're cool with having zero guardrails against radical theocrats like Mike Johnson. In the holy name of indirect democracy, against the people.
Amen.
I'm not angry, I just call.out bull when I see it.
Uh-huh. Your tone andd approach speaks much differently.
And it's not bull . Your preferred party does it just as heinously too. Maryland says hi.
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