Wemby ROTY watch

[Fizziksman]

Team needs to force feed Wemby. He's got the media on his side so Chet has to play beyond what he is capable to beat Wemby out for ROY

[Drom John]

After Raptors game 5 November 2023

B-R WS.

0.9
1) Chet Holmgren

0.6
2) Marcus Sasser (nephew of Jason Sasser)
3) Derek Lively II

0.4
4) Cason Wallace

0.3
5) Anthony Black
6) Ausar Thompson

0.2
07) Victor Wembanyama still first in turmovers, but only 2 to the Raptors, fits the eye-test, stat test rise of 6 spots.
08) Brandon Miller

0.1
09) Toumani Camara
10) Trayce Jackson-Davis
seven others

Bottom 5

-0.1
55) Brandin Podziemski
56) Kaiser Gates
57) Cam Whitmore

-0.2
58) Bilal Coulibaly

-0.4
59) Scoot Henderson.

[Arcadian]

The major flaw with ws though is how it’s hugely affected by the teams success. The same player having the same impact on a great team vs a terrible team would generate a vastly different ws number.

That makes sense, given that it's called win shares. Winning is literally in the name.

[Arcadian]

Not a huge fan of treating him as a rookie though, but that’s how the NBA does it so whatever.

What's the argument against treating him as a rookie? If he had played a single game last season, he wouldn't be considered a rookie. Do you think just being around an NBA organization for a year made him more comfortable in the league or something?

[SpursFan86]

What's the argument against treating him as a rookie? If he had played a single game last season, he wouldn't be considered a rookie. Do you think just being around an NBA organization for a year made him more comfortable in the league or something?

Can’t tell if you’re being sarcastic or not, but yes, I do think being directly exposed to NBA coaching, sports science, talent compe ion, etc. absolutely makes a difference.

[Vince Carter's ankle]

What's the argument against treating him as a rookie? If he had played a single game last season, he wouldn't be considered a rookie. Do you think just being around an NBA organization for a year made him more comfortable in the league or something?

he was healthy back in february
trained with nba coaches and prepared for the season

[Drom John]

After Pacers game 6 November 2021.

B-R WS.

1.0
01) Chet Holmgren (12th among all players)

0.8
02) Derek Lively II

0.6
03) Marcus Sasser

0.5
04) Cason Wallace
05) Auser Thompson

0.4
06) Anthony Black

0.2
07) Jordan Hawkins
08) Brandon Miller
09) Julian Strawther

0.1
10) Toumani Camara
11) Trayce Jackson-Davis
12) Jaime Jacquez Jr.
13) Collin Gillespie
14) Kobe Brown
15) Jermaine Samuels
16) Jalen Pickett
17) Victor Wembanyama
18) Jordan Ford
19) Andre Jackson Jr.
20) Chris Livington

Bottom 5

-0.1
55) Brandin Podziemski
56) Kaiser Gates
57) Cam Whitmore

-0.2
58) Bilal Coulibaly

-0.4
59) Scoot Henderson

[Barfunk]

So it appears there is some truth to the feed Wemby evaluations. 11FGA in 4 losses vs 19FGA in 3 wins. Of course, personally not gonna overreact as it's very early on and a small sample size, but those are the numbers thus far. Trust in Pop!

[spursparker9]

Tbh, Chet is much more consistent and he know what he can do and cannot.

Sure, Chet is 2 years old than Wemby and Wemby win in the natural talents and higher potential. But would be really scary if Chet develop further. He is already a solid starter (at any teams) at NBA level.

If Chet and Wemby are in the same draft class, there would be serious debate who will go first.

[Vince Carter's ankle]

Tbh, Chet is much more consistent and he know what he can do and cannot.

Sure, Chet is 2 years old than Wemby and Wemby win in the natural talents and higher potential. But would be really scary if Chet develop further. He is already a solid starter (at any teams) at NBA level.

If Chet and Wemby are in the same draft class, there would be serious debate who will go first.

nope

[ambchang]

That makes sense, given that it's called win shares. Winning is literally in the name.

What I meant is that with WS, a lesser player on a better team will look better than a better player on a lesser team.

Also, the same player (mostly the borderline stars) will look drastically different on different teams. See Chauncey billups on the pistons vs everywhere else.

[CorrectCrusader]

After Pacers game 6 November 2021.

B-R WS.

1.0
01) Chet Holmgren (12th among all players)

0.8
02) Derek Lively II

0.6
03) Marcus Sasser

0.5
04) Cason Wallace
05) Auser Thompson

0.4
06) Anthony Black

0.2
07) Jordan Hawkins
08) Brandon Miller
09) Julian Strawther

0.1
10) Toumani Camara
11) Trayce Jackson-Davis
12) Jaime Jacquez Jr.
13) Collin Gillespie
14) Kobe Brown
15) Jermaine Samuels
16) Jalen Pickett
17) Victor Wembanyama
18) Jordan Ford
19) Andre Jackson Jr.
20) Chris Livington

Bottom 5

-0.1
55) Brandin Podziemski
56) Kaiser Gates
57) Cam Whitmore

-0.2
58) Bilal Coulibaly

-0.4
59) Scoot Henderson

Pretty good considering the start. He'll be #1 in no time

[CorrectCrusader]

Tbh, Chet is much more consistent and he know what he can do and cannot.

Sure, Chet is 2 years old than Wemby and Wemby win in the natural talents and higher potential. But would be really scary if Chet develop further. He is already a solid starter (at any teams) at NBA level.

If Chet and Wemby are in the same draft class, there would be serious debate who will go first.

Chet didn't even go first in his own Draft

[Drom John]

After Knicks game 8 November 2023

B-R WS

1.1
01) Chet Holmgren

0.7
02) Dereck Lively II
03) Marcus Sasser

0.6
04) Cason Wallace

0.5
05) Ausar Thompson

0.4
06) Anthony Black

0.3
07) Jaime Jacquez Jr.

0.2
08) Trayce Jackson-Davis
09) Toumani Camara
10) Jordan Hawkins
11) Brandon Miller
12) Julian Strawther

0.1
13) Collin Gillespie
14) Kobe Brown
15) Jermaine Samuels
16) Jalen Pickett
17) Andre Jackson Jr.
18) Jordan Ford
19) Chris Livingston

0.0 AKA Replacement Level
20) Keyonte George
21) Sasha Vezenkov
22) Colby Jones
23) Colin Castleton
24) Ben Sheppard
25) Jarace Walker
26) Jordan Miller
27) Craig Porter Jr.
28) Nick Smith Jr.
29) Taylor Hendricks
30) Filip Petrusev
31) Gregory Jackson II
32) Malcom Cazalon
33) Onuralp Bitim
34) Emoni Bates
35) Brandim Podziemski
36) Hunter Tyson
37) Mohammed Gueye
38) Leaky Black
39) Jett Howard
40) Jalen Wilson
41) Amen Thompson
42) Kris Murray
43) Leonard Miller
44) Rayan Rupert
45) Victor Wembenyama

Bottom five
-0.1
56) D'Moi Hodge
57) Kaiser Gates
58) Gradey
59) Bilal Coulibaly

-0.4
Scoot Henderson

[playbonner15]

Tbh, Chet is much more consistent and he know what he can do and cannot.

Sure, Chet is 2 years old than Wemby and Wemby win in the natural talents and higher potential. But would be really scary if Chet develop further. He is already a solid starter (at any teams) at NBA level.

If Chet and Wemby are in the same draft class, there would be serious debate who will go first.

Chet has NBA training and a very good team around him. Wouldnt be mad if he gets ROTY

[rjv]

After Knicks game 8 November 2023

B-R WS

1.1
01) Chet Holmgren

0.7
02) Dereck Lively II
03) Marcus Sasser

0.6
04) Cason Wallace

0.5
05) Ausar Thompson

0.4
06) Anthony Black

0.3
07) Jaime Jacquez Jr.

0.2
08) Trayce Jackson-Davis
09) Toumani Camara
10) Jordan Hawkins
11) Brandon Miller
12) Julian Strawther

0.1
13) Collin Gillespie
14) Kobe Brown
15) Jermaine Samuels
16) Jalen Pickett
17) Andre Jackson Jr.
18) Jordan Ford
19) Chris Livingston

0.0 AKA Replacement Level
20) Keyonte George
21) Sasha Vezenkov
22) Colby Jones
23) Colin Castleton
24) Ben Sheppard
25) Jarace Walker
26) Jordan Miller
27) Craig Porter Jr.
28) Nick Smith Jr.
29) Taylor Hendricks
30) Filip Petrusev
31) Gregory Jackson II
32) Malcom Cazalon
33) Onuralp Bitim
34) Emoni Bates
35) Brandim Podziemski
36) Hunter Tyson
37) Mohammed Gueye
38) Leaky Black
39) Jett Howard
40) Jalen Wilson
41) Amen Thompson
42) Kris Murray
43) Leonard Miller
44) Rayan Rupert
45) Victor Wembenyama

Bottom five
-0.1
56) D'Moi Hodge
57) Kaiser Gates
58) Gradey
59) Bilal Coulibaly

-0.4
Scoot Henderson

hard to take a metric that has the likes of mohammed gueye eight spots above wemby that seriously. vic is no worse than 5th at the moment and most likely 2nd.

[onechance87]

its like his team trying to make it hard for him to win roy

[Thomas82]

its like his team trying to make it hard for him to win roy

That's definitely what it looks like.

[Drom John]

After Timberwolves game 10 November 2022

B-R WS

1.0
01) Chet Holmgren

0.7)
02) Dereck Lively II
03) Marcus Sasser
04) Cason Wallace

0.5
05) Ausar Thompson
06) Anthony Black

0.3
07) Jaime Jacquez Jr.

0.2)
08) Trayce Jackson-Davis
09) Jordan Hawkins
10) Toumani Camara
11) Julian Strawther

0.1
12) Brandon Miller
13) Sasha Veznekov
14) Collin Gillespie
15) Kobe Brown
16) Jermaine Samuels
17) Victor Wembanyama

Bottom five

-0.1
56) Cam Whitmore
57) D'Moi Hodge
58) Kaiser Gates
59) Gradey

-0.4
Scoot Henderson

[PrimeMinister]

Chet didn't even go first in his own Draft

the way people try to over correct is so funny, you're exactly right. there's no universe where chet goes 1 over wemby.

[spurraider21]

He should have gone first. Paolo is nice and was more nba ready as a go-to scorer but shortsighted imo

[itzsoweezee]

Tbh, Chet is much more consistent and he know what he can do and cannot.

Sure, Chet is 2 years old than Wemby and Wemby win in the natural talents and higher potential. But would be really scary if Chet develop further. He is already a solid starter (at any teams) at NBA level.

If Chet and Wemby are in the same draft class, there would be serious debate who will go first.

LOL

The geniuses on here

[MannyIsGod]

Chet is good but there's no way he's better than Wemby right now.

You switch them up and put Wemby with that team and I'm not sure OKC isn't a fringe contender. Look at what Wemby is doing on a team with way less talent and absolutely offensive and defensive systems.

It's a really stupid debate imo.

[MannyIsGod]

After Knicks game 8 November 2023

B-R WS

1.1
01) Chet Holmgren

0.7
02) Dereck Lively II
03) Marcus Sasser

0.6
04) Cason Wallace

0.5
05) Ausar Thompson

0.4
06) Anthony Black

0.3
07) Jaime Jacquez Jr.

0.2
08) Trayce Jackson-Davis
09) Toumani Camara
10) Jordan Hawkins
11) Brandon Miller
12) Julian Strawther

0.1
13) Collin Gillespie
14) Kobe Brown
15) Jermaine Samuels
16) Jalen Pickett
17) Andre Jackson Jr.
18) Jordan Ford
19) Chris Livingston

0.0 AKA Replacement Level
20) Keyonte George
21) Sasha Vezenkov
22) Colby Jones
23) Colin Castleton
24) Ben Sheppard
25) Jarace Walker
26) Jordan Miller
27) Craig Porter Jr.
28) Nick Smith Jr.
29) Taylor Hendricks
30) Filip Petrusev
31) Gregory Jackson II
32) Malcom Cazalon
33) Onuralp Bitim
34) Emoni Bates
35) Brandim Podziemski
36) Hunter Tyson
37) Mohammed Gueye
38) Leaky Black
39) Jett Howard
40) Jalen Wilson
41) Amen Thompson
42) Kris Murray
43) Leonard Miller
44) Rayan Rupert
45) Victor Wembenyama

Bottom five
-0.1
56) D'Moi Hodge
57) Kaiser Gates
58) Gradey
59) Bilal Coulibaly

-0.4
Scoot Henderson

You have to be stupid AF to not understand why Chet has more Winshares and why that makes what Wemby is doing even more impressive. This is the absolute worst stat to use to compare them.

[Pauleta14]

Had Wemby been dunked on as many times and as embarrassigly than Chet was yesterday, it would be all over internet