Nikola Jokic didn't do anything until his side stars got healthy. Be real.
Not the biggest Luka fan. I’d be in favor as a distressed asset and a forced trade at a discount. If it doesn’t work out, you haven’t lost much, and can move on. The poster advocated giving back everything from the DJ trade to get Trae. That’s a mistake you may not be able to recover from.
Who’s injured on Atlanta?
Branham is such a dumbass
k ur just a trae hater. Lmao
You’re the one who brought player health into the discussion, vis a vis, jokic and the nuggets.
https://www.nbcsports.com/nba/news/r...own-or-rebuild
Raptors reportedly have “no appe e for a reset, teardown or rebuild”
Excellent news. They just have to keep plowing along like they have thus far this season, and then we all stop giving a about the Raptors (and maybe steal OG from them in the offseason)
I never understood the deal with OG, what do you see in him? I guess that he is on a friendly contract but he only has one year left and it is a player option so he will expect more money after that.
he's a high end on ball defender who is a capable shooter and a good athlete that can convert at the rim. basically exactly what we need at the 3
he will be expensive though
Next year is an option for him, and he will opt out, so he’ll want more money this summer.
I liked him, pre-draft, I liked him on his rookie deal, I even liked him on his extension, but I’m not sure I like him at $30M.
I'd love him at $30 million. Too bad he'll cost $45 million.
I think what he means is that Trae doesnt have any side stars, and even the best player in the NBA needed his side stars to be healthy to make any real noise, so he shouldnt get hate for failing while not having any real legit 2nd/3rd options
Not saying i agree or disagree, but I think that is what CC was getting at
He won't get 45 millions.
No one will have that kind of cap room next summer, not even us, and frankly, he’s not worth that if he doesn’t create for himself and others. He’s a 3andD, a very good one, but a support piece.
Trae is a flawed star, but he's one of the best offensive engines in the league
This reminds me of the old arguments about TD/KG, where KG apologists always said he didn’t have the support the TD did,until I pointed out that Starbury, Sczerbiak, and Tom Gugliotta were each All Star selections during his time in Minnesota.
Trae has had support in Collins, who was a 20/10 player when Trae showed up, and in DJ. I mean, they made the ECFs, even if it was a bit of a fluke. Either someone was helping him, or he was the franchise guy, and his game has now slipped to the point where they’re in the lottery.
Marbury was an inefficient chucker who wanted out, and the other two were bums. KG is not on the same level as TD regardless, but his FO definitely failed to put any real talent around him for the majority of his tenure, though it can be argued a lot of that was due to his massive contract. not sure AS appearances matter though, considering they are handed out based on team record a lot. imo All-NBA appearances are more important and they have a combined 0 in their careers. not to mention TG and WZ only made 1 allstar appearance each, 5 years apart with no other MIN allstars between them
John Collins sucks, whether he averaged 20/10 or not which means little. DJ is also not a real star and we all know his limitations. I don't think Trae Young is top 10 player or anything but he is a legit star player imho, you don't put up 30/10 like he does if you suck. but there certainly are limitations to building around a 5'10" bomber who plays 0 defense, for sure
When you have a 7'4 8 foot wingspan menace on your team to shore up defense, you can cover for Trae youngs defensive failings. It would be an all time pairing.
I agree. Give Trae someone like Wemby and another two way threat on the perimeter and he would look 10x better
marbury was not an all star in his time in minnesota...
and then you cant compare 1x all stars like gugliotta and szczerbiak to robinson, ginobili, parker...
the best go-to argument is just 2003
I am not pleased with the Charlotte trade. We have 3 straight years of lottery protected picks and then we lose out. That sucks. I could see lottery protected the first year in 2023, but after that, it should have been top 6 protected the last two years. Of course, this year, they are trying hard to be the top pick in the draft. Unfortunately for them, Detroit has cornered the market on fest.
I guess we can forget about the Charlotte pick.
Toronto is frustrating. They keeping hovering between the 6-8 worst record in the league. We need them to go on a winning streak of about 5-6 games. That would put them damn near playoff contention at this point of the season.
I want no part of Trae. Yes, he is a damn good player. Yes, he can light up the scoreboard. Yes, he is an alley-oop waiting to happen. However, he is inefficient overall, he is a ball hog, and he plays with heroball mentality. Also, he cannot seem to get along well with any other top players on his team. First it was Collins and now it is Murray. Also, he is kind of undersized, so no thank you.
I also do not want Murray back. He burned his bridges here with his post trade comments about the team and the city. Rot in lanta for all I care.
I am more than happy to keep their picks and use them as golden tickets to possible find a draft gem, or trade for a high caliber player that will compliment Wemby and Vassell.
The Charlotte pick wasn’t acquired from Charlotte, it was literally a throw in to the Dejounte trade. In fact, it was originally traded to NY, who traded it to ATL, who then traded it to us. We got enough good, unprotected assets to take a non lottery first as a sweetener.
Toronto is pretty much exactly where I want them. We have 3 years to get the pick, so I’m willing to risk the chance that they jump into the top 4 against the chance that we get pick 7 or 8 this year. In two years, if we haven’t nabbed the pick yet,I’ll feel differently.
We agree on Trae and the ATL picks.
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