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    I'll wait before consireding Socahn's 3pt shooting as "money" tbh

    It was for a short stretch and it's below average again recently. He needs to be realy opened and comfortable to make them

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    I'll wait before consireding Socahn's 3pt shooting as "money" tbh

    It was for a short stretch and it's below average again recently. He needs to be realy opened and comfortable to make them
    Oh, definitely, just like he isn't "garbage" or an "idiot". He's a 20 year old whose future is still to be determined. Bottom line, he's worth developing, if he doesn't become the player they (and I) expect, then he can always be moved later on for better fitting pieces.

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    Sochan is too small at the 4 at only 6'8 and a poor jumper and poor rim protector. Collins too plays small and can't jump so outside of Wemby the frontline players getting the most minutes are not good rim defenders.

    Get Sarr on this team
    I would absolutely take Sarr if available becasue I think he's the best combination of certainty and promise, but your judgement of Sochan is completely biased. Versatility isn't absolute, he's a forward who is better suited to guard other forwards and wings, if you have him play small ball center and be a rim protector, then you're setting hijm up to fail just like when he was playing PG. I do agree he's not super long (probably 6'7" without shoes and not a freakish wingspan) so he's at a disadvantage guarding much bigger players (like Embiid) because his contest doesn't really bother them, but if you play him alongside a rim protector with plenty of ball movement and proper spacing, he's going to look great on both ends.

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    Sochan is 6'8'' barefoot 220 lbs 6'11'' wingspan, which are pretty standard measurements for a PF in this era and it's the only position he can credibly play.

    Like A. Gordon, who came in with similar measurements but bulked up to 240, he just needs to get stronger.

    That's an understated major issue with this team: lack of strength. Only Johnson really has it out of rotation players.

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    Sochan is 6'8'' barefoot 220 lbs 6'11'' wingspan, which are pretty standard measurements for a PF in this era and it's the only position he can credibly play.

    Like A. Gordon, who came in with similar measurements but bulked up to 240, he just needs to get stronger.

    That's an understated major issue with this team: lack of strength. Only Johnson really has it out of rotation players.
    What's your source for the measurements? He wasn't measured at the draft combine. Also, some strength would be nice fighting thorugh screens but you don't want him to bulk up too much and lose some of his lateral speed that allows him to stay in front of pretty much every player.

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    What's your source for the measurements? He wasn't measured at the draft combine. Also, some strength would be nice fighting thorugh screens but you don't want him to bulk up too much and lose some of his lateral speed that allows him to stay in front of pretty much every player.
    Can't seem to find it, but I know I've seen it.

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    Can't seem to find it, but I know I've seen it.
    I don't doubt you saw it, I wonder how reliable is the source where you saw it, because officially Sochan wasn't measured at the combine:
    https://www.nba.com/stats/draft/comb...onYear=2022-23
    But for reference, Tari Eason was, and he measured at 6'6.75 without shoes. However, he's listed as 6'8" in his player profile at multiple sites:
    https://www.nba.com/player/1631106/tari-eason
    https://www.espn.com/nba/player/_/id/4433192/tari-eason
    https://sports.yahoo.com/nba/players/6707/
    https://www.basketball-reference.com...easonta01.html
    My point is, most measures are really iffy, I only trust draft combine measurements and my own eyes, and I doubt he's 6'8" barefoot

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    What's your source for the measurements? He wasn't measured at the draft combine. Also, some strength would be nice fighting thorugh screens but you don't want him to bulk up too much and lose some of his lateral speed that allows him to stay in front of pretty much every player.
    Can't seem to find it, but I know I've seen it.
    TIFWIW

    NBA,com 2022 Draft.
    "Listed at 6’9 with a 230-pound frame and a 7’0 wingspan,"

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    TIFWIW

    NBA,com 2022 Draft.
    "Listed at 6’9 with a 230-pound frame and a 7’0 wingspan,"
    Yeah, I came accross that page, but being "listed" listed at a given height doesn't mean much at all... plenty of players are "listed" 2/3 inches higher than they actually are (like, say, Isaiah Collier at 6'5", Rob Dilingham at 6'3", Ron Holland at 6'8", etc.)

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    What's your source for the measurements? He wasn't measured at the draft combine. Also, some strength would be nice fighting thorugh screens but you don't want him to bulk up too much and lose some of his lateral speed that allows him to stay in front of pretty much every player.
    You see him staying in front of pretty much every player. I see him getting blown past by many players.

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    I don't doubt you saw it, I wonder how reliable is the source where you saw it, because officially Sochan wasn't measured at the combine:
    https://www.nba.com/stats/draft/comb...onYear=2022-23
    But for reference, Tari Eason was, and he measured at 6'6.75 without shoes. However, he's listed as 6'8" in his player profile at multiple sites:
    https://www.nba.com/player/1631106/tari-eason
    https://www.espn.com/nba/player/_/id/4433192/tari-eason
    https://sports.yahoo.com/nba/players/6707/
    https://www.basketball-reference.com...easonta01.html
    My point is, most measures are really iffy, I only trust draft combine measurements and my own eyes, and I doubt he's 6'8" barefoot
    I'm well versed in this sort of thing, so if I post it it's because I believe the source to be credible and it fits with the eye test/metrics (for example, he's got a typically low rebound/block rate for a PF with such measurements).

    The 6'8'' barefoot might have been a round up though.

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    Tunnel vision isn’t the same as low bball iq
    No but it can definitely be a symptom of low BB IQ.

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    If Sochan is 6'9"...he's the smallest 6'9" I've seen. , Charles Barkley looks bigger and he's only 6'4". Sochan plays like a Smaller guy. So does Collins...and Barlow...and everyone not named Wemby. If they're bigger than they look, they need to start playing like it.

    We need a "real" big to help Wemby. Maybe a couple of them.

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    Thought Stern Jr. or even going all the way back to Sternfish said all measurements had to be barefoot and legit?

    Just propaganda per usual from those two?

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