Quote Originally Posted by Spurminator
Thank you for the detailed response, but essentially this still reads as "Black voters vote to stay on the dole because they're idiots who can't see the big picture."

For one thing, only 20% of blacks were below the poverty line in 2020. That's higher by comparison than other ethnic groups but still nowhere near enough to explain 87%, especially when you also consider that less than half of people below the poverty line even vote at all.

As for messaging and "convincing that the GOP is the devil," pretty sure the GOP, conservative elites and their media arms do a pretty damned good job of that on their own. Maybe consider this next time you get into a discussion about whether a black guy sitting in his car should have reached more slowly for the wallet in his glove box, or whether poor blacks should pull themselves up by the bootstraps to get out of the ghettos they've lived in for decades, or "woke culture" recasting your favorite fictional white comic book characters in movie reboots, or any of the racially-charged kerfuffle your GOP shepherds convince you is important enough for you to be angry about.



You think it's "ingraining a victim mentality within them" because you refuse to acknowledge how they have been systematically victimized here for centuries and the long-term impact of that victimization. Empowering poor minorities to be successful at the same rate as non-poor whites requires extra help to get them onto the same playing field. Without that, you will still have poor minorities who are able to rise, but it will always be at a lower rate, and the cycle of poverty continues (while the wealth gap continues to increase.) This isn't something that just corrects itself naturally after a few decades. There are still people living today who were around to oppose the civil rights movement.

You guys still want to argue on theory that if you cut off the benefits, people will work harder out of necessity and end up making more money than they otherwise would have, despite the fact that there is no historical example of this happening. Meanwhile, there are actual real-world examples of things like UBI giving poor people more flexibility to seek work and make the additional money they need to rise out of poverty.

Laziness and en lements aren't keeping people poor. Low wages, artificially high rent, expensive necessities like day care, and jealous white conservatives who are afraid a hamburger flipper might make more money than they did 30 years ago are.
I want what the Nazi's in Ukraine are getting: free health-care. And I want the health care that Biden is getting, the exact same one, nary difference.

Chop/chop.