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    Trade #4 plus whatever 2nds and the 25 CHA pick for a 3&D wing
    Take Knecht or BPA at #8
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    around in the trade market, cherry if you can find something that upgrades Keldon for a stretch 4 without sending out more than 1 future FRP. Don't care about all the other trash Branham/Wesley/Graham to be included
    Resign Osman if you have the cap space or an exception that fits

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    Now that we know our picks.

    Trade Keldon and 8 for Ingram.

    Draft a point guard at 4.

    Sign a veteran wing player who can get Julian minutes, which should be backup minutes with Ingram here.

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    The players who have +net with Wemby since the rotation has settled.

    Tre
    Devin
    Sochan
    Keldon
    Malaki ( haters gonna hate )

    Mamu ( small sample )
    Cissoko ( microscopic sample )

    Keep all of the above.

    Reduce or downgrade center rotation.
    Just straight up waive Wesley ( catastrophic net )

    Draft guys who can play with Wemby. inverted PNR guards, ball screen wings, jumbo connectors.
    Preference is the ball screen wing in Knecht and the inverted PNR guard in Carter.

    And most importantly don't trade for the balding midget.

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    Spurs should maximize Wemby on a rookie deal as long as they can and go all-in ASAP imo. He will be a MVP level player next season and he doesnt need Luka or Giannis to compete for the chip

    trade/waive/renounce/whatever basically everyone besides Wemby/Vassell/Sochan and maybe Mamu if he can re-sign on a good deal. offer PG the max, trade for Young. Wemby/PG/Trae trio is good enough to win a le next season
    Paul George to the max is a deal that would go down in the Luol Deng level of worst contracts ever

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    Now that we know our picks.

    Trade Keldon and 8 for Ingram.

    Draft a point guard at 4.

    Sign a veteran wing player who can get Julian minutes, which should be backup minutes with Ingram here.
    Ingram is always injured and thrives in the midrange, plus his contract is expiring and is demanding a max contract. Could be a long term killer.

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    Draft Zach Edey….
    why would you want to waste a pick on Boban 2.0?

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    Ingram is always injured and thrives in the midrange, plus his contract is expiring and is demanding a max contract. Could be a long term killer.
    His isolation scoring is needed on this team. Victor is the only player on our team who can halfway create his own shot. I'd be fine giving him a near max, maybe a full max if I had to. You look at his numbers and they are in line with what max salary wing players max.

    I think his injuries are more a function of the staff than him. Pelicans players are always injured. There typically one of the most injured teams every year.

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    I think Pelicans will be doing some significant moves this off season. They actually got some nice young pieces moving forward.

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    Draft Dillingham and Castle/Holland/Risacher. Sign a veteran guard. Then prep for a much deeper 2025 draft.

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    Let’s bring him back


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    I'd like to preface this by saying I'd be happy with any of 5-7 different choices this draft. But December 6th, I said my choice for the draft was Topic / Castle (2024 NBA Draft Thread). If I go by that early choice, I'd like to explore my ideal outcome.

    I really want Castle or Topic... but I'd even be happy if we got both of them.
    Begin the year with Tre starting and let Topic take his time with his rehab. Let him train with Wemby, work on his flexibility, and take some hollywood stunt-man classes on how to fall without hurting yourself (Shaq did that when he started doing movies and said it helped him from getting injured a lot when he fell in games). Then he can take over when he's ready.

    Have a 3-man PG/SG rotation.

    Topic / Vassell
    Castle / Vassell
    Topic / Castle

    Roughly 16 minutes with each combination (32 mpg per player).

    Find some way to get Lauri Markkanen and run the same 3-man PF/C rotation.

    Lauri / Wemby
    Sochan / Wemby
    Sochan / Lauri

    Roughly 16 minutes with each combination (32 mpg per player).

    Champagnie and Keldon would have to hold down the SF position until the 2025 draft where I would love a top draft pick to get Ace Bailey... but I would expect a late-lottery pick to get Liam McNeeley who is expected to be a high quality 3&D SF who will be playing at UCONN (but is a Texas kid).

    8-man rotation of:

    Topic / Castle
    Vassell
    McNeeley / Johnson
    Lauri / Sochan
    Wemby

    Once the team is set, we get UCONN coach (Dan Hurley) to take over for Pop. He's 51 years old, has a .709 winning percentage, and has an extremely smart basketball (team-first) strategy.

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    IN: Garland, Risacher (4), Vets
    OUT: 8, 35, Keldon, Malaki, Graham
    TBD: Cedi, Mamu, Bassey, Sidy

    Garland/Tre/Wesley
    Vassell/VET
    Risacher/Champainge
    Sochan/VET
    Wemby/Collins

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    Trade 4 for 7 and 14. Draft 7)Edey 8) the best of remaining guard/forward (in my order for guards Castle/Sheppard/Topic/Dilly for forwards Buzelis/Risacher/Holland/Salaun. With 14 the best remaining guard or forward (depending if at 8 we drafted a guard or a forward).

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    So I was thinking about the ideal off-season for the Spurs IF they choose to go for a deep playoff run this year. I think Donavan Mic would be an ideal fit among those available this year. He is an absolute killer and really is a top 10 scorer in the league, and an aggressive closer like Murray. Also, there’s no big market teams available really. He’s not a got fit with Dallas (Luka), Lakers (LeBron), New York (Brunson), etc. But he would be a perfect fit with Wemby, probably one of the very best big men in the league next year. Out of all the guys available out here he’s the guy!

    so my idea is trade Keldon and Vassell and Collins + however many firsts and swaps needed to make the trade happen. Draft Topić at #8 and Risacher at #4. So then you have the following starting lineup:

    pg: Topic (to keep everyone involved and not just Mitc )
    sg: Mitc (Murray or Luka like closer)
    sf: Risacher (mpj shooter clone)
    pf: Sochan (guards best player on other team and does Rodman stuff)
    c: Wemby (Wemby!)

    Then sign some vets for a deep strong bench and let’s run it back two or three years and see how far we can get in the playoffs! Tweek next offseason as necessary of course.

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    So I was thinking about the ideal off-season for the Spurs IF they choose to go for a deep playoff run this year. I think Donavan Mic would be an ideal fit among those available this year. He is an absolute killer and really is a top 10 scorer in the league, and an aggressive closer like Murray. Also, there’s no big market teams available really. He’s not a got fit with Dallas (Luka), Lakers (LeBron), New York (Brunson), etc. But he would be a perfect fit with Wemby, probably one of the very best big men in the league next year. Out of all the guys available out here he’s the guy!

    so my idea is trade Keldon and Vassell and Collins + however many firsts and swaps needed to make the trade happen. Draft Topić at #8 and Risacher at #4. So then you have the following starting lineup:

    pg: Topic (to keep everyone involved and not just Mitc )
    sg: Mitc (Murray or Luka like closer)
    sf: Risacher (mpj shooter clone)
    pf: Sochan (guards best player on other team and does Rodman stuff)
    c: Wemby (Wemby!)

    Then sign some vets for a deep strong bench and let’s run it back two or three years and see how far we can get in the playoffs! Tweek next offseason as necessary of course.
    Aside from considering the availability of Mitc , this would be a nice team but I think vastly improved if you could swap Topic for Dillingham. Having Dillingham's shooting in place of Topic's lack thereof would really round out this roster and make it much more dangerous. Yes, Dillingham has defensive question marks, but so does Topic (in addition to not being able to shoot)

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    Aside from considering the availability of Mitc , this would be a nice team but I think vastly improved if you could swap Topic for Dillingham. Having Dillingham's shooting in place of Topic's lack thereof would really round out this roster and make it much more dangerous. Yes, Dillingham has defensive question marks, but so does Topic (in addition to not being able to shoot)
    i would be okay with dilly too, but I think Topić would be better because Mitc is known not to focus on sharing the ball and Dilly is definitely more scoring oriented too and I would rather make sure the team is Wemby centric than guard centric even if it means giving up some shooting and scoring on the perimeter.

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    The problem with Mitc is his knees are a ticking time bomb. You have to be sure the window is now.

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    Something to consider when talking about expected contract values


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    Something to consider when talking about expected contract values

    There could be a repeat of that situation where Golden State was able to sign KD because of a sudden leap in the cap, or at least a scenario where a star free agent has 10 legit options instead of 3 or 4.

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    There could be a repeat of that situation where Golden State was able to sign KD because of a sudden leap in the cap, or at least a scenario where a star free agent has 10 legit options instead of 3 or 4.
    yes and no. we're not going to get those sudden leaps in cap because the CBA says cap increases are smoothed out such that the max annual increase is 10%

    however, if we can basically lock in 10% increases for the next 4-5 years, you can overpay people for contracts now... all those "how the can you justify paying that guy 38mil per year" deals will look like good deals 3 years later. ultimately the raw numbers dont really matter, its how much those contracts are relative to the cap that matters. jaylen brown being set to earn 50 mil looks bat . right now the salary cap is at 136 mil, so that represents something like 35% of the cap. but if you take those same numbers and move them to a league where the cap is at 200 mil, its only 25% of the cap, which is equivalent to a player today earning 34 mil. i dont think anybody would bat an eye at jaylen brown earning 34 mil per year right now.

    to be fair, this isnt exactly apples to apples because these contracts include annual raises, but these are in the form of about 8% a year i believe for the supermax deals... which will still not keep up with the expected 10% cap increases after the new media deal kicks in

    but put aside the supermax deals with the guaranteed 8% raises. you look at a deal like vassell's... as long as he doesnt fall off a cliff, he will be a value player for most of his contract. an overpay today may look like a fair deal tomorrow and a bargain in a couple of days

    chinook/bruno would do a much better job than me when it comes to articulating this stuff
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    There could be a repeat of that situation where Golden State was able to sign KD because of a sudden leap in the cap, or at least a scenario where a star free agent has 10 legit options instead of 3 or 4.
    They were able to sign KD because Steph was still on that team friendly deal due to his injury history. Was on just $12M in 2016.
    Klay and Draymond were on $16M each and they traded Barnes to get enough cap space.

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    yes and no. we're not going to get those sudden leaps in cap because the CBA says cap increases are smoothed out such that the max annual increase is 10%
    Is it possible that the league starts raking in so much money that even if the cap goes up 10% every year it still wouldn't catch the percentage of BRI the players are en led to?

    If so, the next CBA might allow for increases bigger than 10% in the future.

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    Is it possible that the league starts raking in so much money that even if the cap goes up 10% every year it still wouldn't catch the percentage of BRI the players are en led to?

    If so, the next CBA might allow for increases bigger than 10% in the future.
    tbh im not sure how that would work. maybe some big windfall or large cap increase at the beginning of the next CBA. but the 10% rule is locked in as far as i know. it doesnt always happen year over year. i think 24-25 will only see something like a 3-4 % increase from this past season

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    Sign OG Onunuby to max deal
    Trade Collins, JS, fillers plus 10 first round picks for Joel Embiid
    Spurs:
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    Embiid

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    Going back to the defensive roots. This would be ideal:

    Dejounte
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