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    They figured out how to multiply with zero? Interesting.
    Nah Branham is 1st percentile, Knecht 2nd in CraftedDPM.

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    LA gave an unprotected pick and swap to Charlotte, more draft assets than they gave up for Luka.
    draft assets sure. but this discourse is very annoying because AD has been a top 10 player last couple of years with good durability

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    23 year olds, and some 22s come into the league about as good as they’re ever going to be, and in fact usually slide backwards. Everyone was in love with Chris Duarte, and he had a good rookie year, and then his game fell off a cliff. He was recently cut by Chicago as a part of the Lavine/Fox trade, never making it past his rookie deal. Jaquez has slid backwards this year, as has Podziemski. It’s not our imagination, it’s in fact a trend. There’s a video earlier in this thread that speaks to the point. They went back years in the draft, and basically analyzed every draft pick,and how draft positions paid off. The older players DRASTICALLY underperformed their draft slots.
    You are generalizing. He is a rookie with a TS% of 60%. There is a point where trying to be too smart creates the opposite effect.

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    Damn, the "Dalton Knecht must go ASAP" thread on LakersTalk.org must have hit 100 pages

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    Wow, imagine if they had our poor shooting players!

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    draft assets sure. but this discourse is very annoying because AD has been a top 10 player last couple of years with good durability
    He’s played a season and a half without missing major time. In fairness,that is probably a record within his Mr. Glass career.

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    You are generalizing. He is a rookie with a TS% of 60%. There is a point where trying to be too smart creates the opposite effect.
    He’s a rookie of a type that flames out in year two at the latest. He seems bent on beating that time.

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    I saw that. Man if that is true Luka beat leave LA. Imagine having a franchise run by a mediocre 40 year old player.

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    I saw that. Man if that is true Luka beat leave LA. Imagine having a franchise run by a mediocre 40 year old player.
    I thought that was satire... that's crazy..
    did any of you read the article?

    its bull

    well before the trade, gilbert arenas on his podcast (not the most reliable source) just speculated that knecht isnt passing enough to bronny, and that if lakers want bronny to get some shine, they shouldnt play knecht next to him since dalton shoots a lot in garbage time

    now the trade happened, and people are just looking at that old giblert clip. this isnt some post-trade reporting of what happened. , its not even gilbert saying "yeah people ive talked to with lakers said the same thing and thats why it happened, confirming my earlier clip". nothing like that

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    did any of you read the article?

    its bull

    well before the trade, gilbert arenas on his podcast (not the most reliable source) just speculated that knecht isnt passing enough to bronny, and that if lakers want bronny to get some shine, they shouldnt play knecht next to him since dalton shoots a lot in garbage time

    now the trade happened, and people are just looking at that old giblert clip. this isnt some post-trade reporting of what happened. , its not even gilbert saying "yeah people ive talked to with lakers said the same thing and thats why it happened, confirming my earlier clip". nothing like that
    Nope...didn't read it at all...

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    did any of you read the article?

    its bull

    well before the trade, gilbert arenas on his podcast (not the most reliable source) just speculated that knecht isnt passing enough to bronny, and that if lakers want bronny to get some shine, they shouldnt play knecht next to him since dalton shoots a lot in garbage time

    now the trade happened, and people are just looking at that old giblert clip. this isnt some post-trade reporting of what happened. , its not even gilbert saying "yeah people ive talked to with lakers said the same thing and thats why it happened, confirming my earlier clip". nothing like that
    Who tf reads
    i just saw the vid of GA holding up the body bag

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    One of the prospects i would have been content with at #8. Always seemed to have that fearlessness in him.


    Thank God you're not a GM.

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    Popovic is an overrated bag. Handed the Lakers this sort of player while trading the 8th pick for something in 2050 or whenever it is. Overrated sack of , his stroke must have started draft day
    hahaha, care to explain more/

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    Once we got Fox for basically Knecht and our 27 pick it all worked out. And of course we got rid of the hated Collins contract.

    But Knecht is a legit baller and it’s stupid to dump on him. I think Lakers lucked out getting him that late and also again when the trade fell through.

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    Firstly, i’ve fully supported the 8th pick trade and always thought that was a great move. And while i have no doubt spurs would have got fox despite having the minny pick or not, with all that being said, drafting knecht would have been the wrong move. That is unless the spurs just completely the bed w this years picks.
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    Firstly, i’ve fully supported the 8th pick trade and always thought that was a great move. And while i have no doubt spurs would have got fox despite having the minny pick or not, with all that being said, drafting knecht would have been the wrong move. That is unless the spurs just completely the bed w this years picks.
    Whether Knecht is currently worth an 8 pick, the jury is still out on that. I think he is going to be a productive player in the NBA for a long time. We already know that trading the 8 pick away worked out for the best for the Spurs. The fact that we may even debate Knecht was worth an 8 pick speaks to his capabilities shown so far. Bashing him for a rookie slump is probably a mistake.

    He put up better stats than Castle in the first game and made that crucial steal in game 2 that led to the game winning shot. He was the second-best player on the court after Castle.

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    Whether Knecht is currently worth an 8 pick, the jury is still out on that. I think he is going to be a productive player in the NBA for a long time. We already know that trading the 8 pick away worked out for the best for the Spurs. The fact that we may even debate Knecht was worth an 8 pick speaks to his capabilities shown so far. Bashing him for a rookie slump is probably a mistake.

    He put up better stats than Castle in the first game and made that crucial steal in game 2 that led to the game winning shot. He was the second-best player on the court after Castle.
    That is the opposite of what usually happens with 22-23 YO draftees. Anyone still taking about Jaime Jacquez this year? Brandon Podziemski? Nope. This archetype comes in with more development done already, and surprises people, but eventually, the shortcomings that kept them in school show themselves as teams actually guard them. Chris Duarte, a former lottery pick by Indy who had a great rookie year just got cut by Chicago as part of the Lavine/Fox trade. He didn’t make it through the main 4 years of his first round deal, although he got paid for year 4.

    Knecht has already started tailing off from his hot start during his rookie year. Using #8 on him would have been a ing disaster of epic proportions.

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    Are we cycling through assumptions of who the Spurs were going to pick at #8? I don't think we have any idea who it was going to be.

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    That is the opposite of what usually happens with 22-23 YO draftees. Anyone still taking about Jaime Jacquez this year? Brandon Podziemski? Nope. This archetype comes in with more development done already, and surprises people, but eventually, the shortcomings that kept them in school show themselves as teams actually guard them. Chris Duarte, a former lottery pick by Indy who had a great rookie year just got cut by Chicago as part of the Lavine/Fox trade. He didn’t make it through the main 4 years of his first round deal, although he got paid for year 4.

    Knecht has already started tailing off from his hot start during his rookie year. Using #8 on him would have been a ing disaster of epic proportions.
    You already told us he was too old and used the same examples. Sure I am not one to never repeat myself either. BUT I am saying he is going to be a HIT not a MISS, whether that be at the 8 or the 17. Time will tell which one of us is correct. Generalizing though, yeah Manu should have never hit either being a second round pick. You have to go with your gut as no two players are the same. I'd take the Knecht I have see so far any day over our recent first round draft pick misses, some of whom still linger.

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    https://www.nytimes.com/athletic/613...-star-weekend/

    Castle, Knecht lead team to win…

    Edit: sorry when I first accessed that article was not hit with an immediate The Athletic paywall

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    Think its still too early, but i’d still pick knecht over dilly. But again glad spurs had the foresight to just get out of that ty draft class though.

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    Had we used the #8 pick, I sure hope it wouldn't have been for this guy. We need shooting, but we don't need any more dudes who don't know how to play basketball and are clueless on defense.

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    You already told us he was too old and used the same examples. Sure I am not one to never repeat myself either. BUT I am saying he is going to be a HIT not a MISS, whether that be at the 8 or the 17. Time will tell which one of us is correct. Generalizing though, yeah Manu should have never hit either being a second round pick. You have to go with your gut as no two players are the same. I'd take the Knecht I have see so far any day over our recent first round draft pick misses, some of whom still linger.
    I think Knecht is goung to work out as well. He's not going to be top 3 on anybteam and he might not even start, but he'll be a solid rotation player who'll hit alot of 3's if he has a playmaker who can pressure the rim.

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