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Castle was great! I love his game. the spurs need his style badly.
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With Wby shooting 10 threes a game I’m not sure if I want Castle shooting a bunch a threes. That midrange game is going to be open all night long.
Question, do y'all just expect young players to miraculously get better without game reps?
I watched a breakdown of BI on YouTube. He’s elite from midrange, 47.5%, and he shoots 37% from 3. The points per shot attempt are, respectively, 0.95 and 1.11.
You don’t want to try to make a living in the mid range. Just over the span of 100 shots, even a slightly above average 3 point shooter will outscore an elite mid range shooter by 16 points. Mid range scoring is brutally inefficient.
Question I know it is still early but based on what you all have seen and his progress would you still take a PG with our highest pick?
before the season started i was on record as saying castle should be the only one of the spurs’ young core that shouldn’t be on the trading block (outside of wemby, obviously)
Yup...Castle hasint proved to be a elite playmaker or shooter.But you can see the potential.Its still way early,But this team pretty much needs
to upgrade eveywhere.You take whoever the best player is.
47.5% isn't elite
mid-range game opens up opportunities for drives into the paint and extra free throws
just look at SGA, Kawhi, Derozan and Embiid
and also a mid-range shot is much more reliable than a three-pointer in a clutch
https://www.amazon.com/Midrange-Theo.../dp/1629379212
"Star players breaking their man down and getting a tough two when their team needs a score. Among players with usage rates of 25% or higher, buckets are being gotten at or near all-time highs. In 1997–98, around 41% of these players’ made shots were unassisted two-pointers. In 2019, nearly 49% were self-created twos.
First, a select few players are so skilled and athletic that almost any shot they take is a good one. Kevin Durant is a prime example, but there are other examples, such as Chris Paul and Kawhi Leonard. Defenses allow these guys to get into their bag at their own peril.
The second aspect is psychological. Even most star players aren’t quite good enough to turn the midrange into an above-average shot. Nowitzki, without question one of the purist shooters of this or any other era, exceeded league average efficiency for all shots on his midrange attempts only three times in his career, and only in 2010–11 did he do so by a substantial margin, shooting 51.5% on twos outside of 10 feet against leaguewide 49.8% eFG%. But even getting close to average is enough to scare teams.
The sight of even lesser shooters making a couple of pull-ups can be enough to draw just enough extra attention to create seams in a defense. This help might be a mathematical mistake, but calling a star’s bluff when they are essentially saying, “If you don’t bring help, I’m going to beat you even from here” is a big ask.
The final prong is the shot clock. Twenty-four seconds is not that long, and even a “bad” shot is better than simply handing the ball to the ref when that time expires. Having a player who can bail out plays that don’t find anything better late in the clock is a big deal."
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Absolutely. Castle was a great pick. Riss was the only other player over Castle at that point.
Castles shot and free throw look like a real player. The shot will develop. His vision is already above average. Decision making will get there with experience. Isnt afraid to attack. Plays great defense and effort. Was the best pg in the draft when you needed a pg. Can't complain. It's rare to get a pg who won't be a negative on the defensive side. He can also play with other pgs. Overall great pick.
Most of his 3s came from the same spot on the floor. Maybe he's found his preference spot.
He is just starting
Give him one year to learn the NBA
Then rest and train.....
It's both innate basketball knowledge and great UConn coaching, he knows how to attack disorganized defenses. When he made his private 2nd half run he was seeing how Utah wasn't getting set properly and went at them.
But a combination is perfect especially on a pnr to pull defenders or dish open 3’s or open dunk.
Imo, primary ballhandlers who attack the basket need to have reliable mid-range shot and noone can convince me otherwise.
Castle looks like he's going to be an elite paint penetrator and scorer at the rim in a few years. He's already bullying guards as a rookie, when he develops his body opponents will have to put wings on him.
Rim protectors will be hesitant to step up and everyone will focus on not letting him get to the rim, especially if he keeps drawing fouls at this rate.
That's where pull up from FT line comes into play. Add that to his game and he'll be unstoppable, even as a low-30s 3pt shooter.
That's how most point guards who were poor shooters early on developed their game, no need to look further than DJ and Derrick.
It should still be more weighted to 3s. Sometimes, as a change of pace, you should shoot a middie, or if the shot clock is running down.
I not saying ZERO middiesfor BI, just more heavily weighted to 3s.
It will depend on roster construction, gameplan and the opposition. In some situations mid-range will be better, in others not so much.
I don't expect Castle to ever become a 25ppg scorer, so it won't really matter.
I'd say 5 3pta season average at the most.
Castle is looking great and a well-chosen pick at #4.
The way he plays, I only see him getting better and adding a new move or aspect to his game each year.
He's super smart, strong, fundamentally sound and processing the game better than many vets already.
It will take a ton of work, but, I believe the 3pt shot will come in a couple of years. It's all downhill from that point for him.
He's got to be near the top of the rookie class in points in the paint. That speaks volumes for a guard that doesn't use quickness, a lethal first step or speed to get into the paint.
Yeah I'd still take him #4. With how poor the team's shooting has been if the Spurs had #3 Sheppard would certainly be tough to pass on and don't know which way I'd go there, but with Sheppard off the board Castle is still an easy call.
It's not really a big deal imo that Castle doesn't have yet a reliable jump shot, it took time from TP take have one, the most important thing is that he keeps penetrating, provoking fouls and breaking defenses, which Cp3 or Tre can't do.
Stepon needs to start asap at the PG poition and Cp3 needs to lead the 2nd unit, with players a lot more compatible with his present skills and limitations.
I'm surprised people would still take Sheppard over Castle. It seems pretty clear that Reed can't get the separation he needs to get his shot and struggles with players bigger and faster than him, which is pretty much everyone. If there's a defender nearby, no shot. Blake drove on him once and Blake was too big for him. That's saying something.
He'll be okay as a role-player as the Rockets build things to make him work, but he's not a guy who is going to do anything Castle does -- defend at a high level or activate an offense. I don't even know if he'll ever be able to do those things.
You're probably right technically but winning teams and great players, lasting players, are well rounded. I think there's a huge growing number of folks that cannot stand all the threes. Eventually the NBA will snap out of this 3 pointer stuff and let the defense actually be physical out there.
I haven't heard a single take of Shepard over Castle lately. At least not even close to a lot.
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