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    I love how he targets Reaves every time knowing he can bully him down every time

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    Yeah I didn’t want to bump your “record with Sochan” thread cause I know sniffers will complain. But the stat is just too in our faces. God I really don’t want Mitch to this up by going back to starting Sochan.
    that "record with Sochan" stat is highly inflated by playing the tanking Jazz, Blazers, Wizards and Kings with Mike Brown 6 times without him. They would've won those with Sochan in the line up too.

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    His trebuchet is still irregular-
    He's now shooting .250 form 3 and .699 from the FT line

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    that "record with Sochan" stat is highly inflated by playing the tanking Jazz, Blazers, Wizards and Kings with Mike Brown 6 times without him. They would've won those with Sochan in the line up too.
    What is the record with Sohan starting and not starting?

    If the Spurs are 11-9 with Castle starting, that's good, but it's not a number to base anything on by itself. You'd also have to see the quality of teams played compared to the W/L records with Sochan starting. Home and road games also need to be taken into consideration.

    Great game last night from Stephon, though. He was awesome out there. DV was also solid too.

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    I really liked that Castle did stay aggressive offensively after blowing two layups in the opening minute of the game. Apart from the shooting, that was a very encouraging game from him.

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    I'd like to see Castle get a consisten mid-range shot going. I think that, and a floater would help him a lot.

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    Nice game,rook! Castle bullied Reaves and Max Christie

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    Gotta admit Castle is way better than I expected. Much better. I love the kid.
    And yet, the shooting is so awful and I am not yet seeing any signs that it is getting better.
    Without that he tops out as a limited role player who can only play in certain lineups.
    He’s just a rookie so give it a couple more years and hopefully he figures it out.

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    Chris Paul gushes over how good Stephon is and will be as does Lebron! These two Hall of Famers know when they see a player! Give the kid a few year and watch out!!

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    Chris Paul gushes over how good Stephon is and will be as does Lebron! These two Hall of Famers know when they see a player! Give the kid a few year and watch out!!
    I’m not doubting it. The worst is he’s a poor man Jrue. It’s his ceiling that’s exciting, Kawhi 2.0?

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    His athletic prime is 7+ years away Let that sink in

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    He should really remain a starter, tbh.

    They already set him back by sending him back to the bench, they can't do the same twice.

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    I love how he targets Reaves every time knowing he can bully him down every time
    Castle going to the bench should be an afterthought by now. Wemby, Castle, and Paul are set in stone starters. You can discuss the others if you want. I say Vassel to the bench and keep Jeremy and Barnes in the first unit.

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    I'm a big-time Castle fan. I'm not, however, under the allusion that his shooting will improve this season. It just won't.
    His scoring could, but, no way he suddenly becomes a better shooter.

    The next few summers will determine his shooting ability, though, I've seen players continue to improve around age 30. Even Lebron has shown tremendous and steady improvement in his 3-ball over the last decade or so. Shooting is the easiest thing to improve. It just takes a lot of reps and a long time. He seems like a gym rat, so, I believe it will happen. One thing that likely won't go away is his ability to take smaller and weaker players into the torture chamber of the paint. He's a very smart player, he'll figure it out.

    Oh, and for the 50th time, Castle should start. It just feels, looks and works best.

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    Castle going to the bench should be an afterthought by now. Wemby, Castle, and Paul are set in stone starters. You can discuss the others if you want. I say Vassel to the bench and keep Jeremy and Barnes in the first unit.
    Barnes >>> Sochan in the starting lineup with Castle. Sochan just cannot free-up the lanes for Castle with his inconsistent shooting. The question really is should Devin continue to start over Champ. Because I see Champ as a better compliment 3 and D in the starting lineup-up. Champ playing with the 2nd unit just doesn’t free him enough resulting to lowered production. While Devin in the 2nd unit can always create his shots as the option one. It just makes too much sense to start both Castle and Champ.

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    Barnes >>> Sochan in the starting lineup with Castle. Sochan just cannot free-up the lanes for Castle with his inconsistent shooting. The question really is should Devin continue to start over Champ. Because I see Champ as a better compliment 3 and D in the starting lineup-up. Champ playing with the 2nd unit just doesn’t free him enough resulting to lowered production. While Devin in the 2nd unit can always create his shots as the option one. It just makes too much sense to start both Castle and Champ.
    i get the appeal of this, and its good to have some balance on the bench. ive discussed this same concept of vassell being a bench creator and champ being a better complementary fit as well

    but the spurs roster just lacks firepower. while barnes has his occasional moments of aggression (last night they were spamming Barnes isos in the 4th with good success)... he has spent most of this season kinda just sitting near the corners. champagnie is also a pretty passive offensive player. Paul has usually not been very aggressive. so it would just be wemby and a pretty raw castle doing a lot of heavy lifting... i dont think thats enough

    on a good team, youd have a vassell-tier (hypothetical vassell) scorer as a #3 option with your starters. think middleton with the bucks, after giannis/jrue, MPJ with the nuggets. the spurs just dont have a good enough roster to support a good enough starting lineup in addition to a serviceable bench. they really have been banking on Keldon being a true bench leading 6th man but he hasnt been up to the task. zollins also theoretically provides scoring through the post, but he has been bad.

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    Castle should absolutely be starting.

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    Barnes >>> Sochan in the starting lineup with Castle. Sochan just cannot free-up the lanes for Castle with his inconsistent shooting. The question really is should Devin continue to start over Champ. Because I see Champ as a better compliment 3 and D in the starting lineup-up. Champ playing with the 2nd unit just doesn’t free him enough resulting to lowered production. While Devin in the 2nd unit can always create his shots as the option one. It just makes too much sense to start both Castle and Champ.
    I agree fully. Champ should be in the starting lineup over Vassell and Vassell can lead the second unit as the primary shot creator.

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    I agree fully. Champ should be in the starting lineup over Vassell and Vassell can lead the second unit as the primary shot creator.
    Devin can lead the bench unit as a starter.
    Keldon being ahead of Champ is a bigger issue.
    Champ is our only actual shooter, but just Tre and backup bigvare behind him when everyone's healthy.

    We really need to replace Keldon and Collins with a backup big and another solid 3-D wing.

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    i get the appeal of this, and its good to have some balance on the bench. ive discussed this same concept of vassell being a bench creator and champ being a better complementary fit as well

    but the spurs roster just lacks firepower. while barnes has his occasional moments of aggression (last night they were spamming Barnes isos in the 4th with good success)... he has spent most of this season kinda just sitting near the corners. champagnie is also a pretty passive offensive player. Paul has usually not been very aggressive. so it would just be wemby and a pretty raw castle doing a lot of heavy lifting... i dont think thats enough

    on a good team, youd have a vassell-tier (hypothetical vassell) scorer as a #3 option with your starters. think middleton with the bucks, after giannis/jrue, MPJ with the nuggets. the spurs just dont have a good enough roster to support a good enough starting lineup in addition to a serviceable bench. they really have been banking on Keldon being a true bench leading 6th man but he hasnt been up to the task. zollins also theoretically provides scoring through the post, but he has been bad.
    I completely agree but I really think as shown in this last game if Castle starts and is aggressive I think he can be that #2. Just maybe not this season but maybe next season after more experience and development.

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    yeah. i think the default staring unit should be Paul/Vassell/Castle/Barnes/Hector

    i think you can then consider swapping vassell and champagnie, but i think you have to let vassell try to figure things out because he's just the better talent. as meh a fit as sochan has been with wemby, it would probably be even worse with bassey though. he theoretically complements Objectively Good though

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    I mentioned earlier that castle should be paired up with champaigne and Vassell with sochan.

    Castle has the vision and passing to spot champaigne, while Vassell can shoot and brick shots for sochan to rebound. This of course is based on castle and sochan should never be on the floor together unless they are up 1/2 points with 20 seconds to go and need a defensive stop.

    Also, even though castle had a great game, keep in mind it was against reaves, who is one of the worst defenders in the league. Don’t expect castle to be a consistent 20/6/5 player soon, even though I’m pretty confident he can get there in a few years if the coaching staff don’t botch his growth like they did the other players.

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    yeah. i think the default staring unit should be Paul/Vassell/Castle/Barnes/Hector

    i think you can then consider swapping vassell and champagnie, but i think you have to let vassell try to figure things out because he's just the better talent. as meh a fit as sochan has been with wemby, it would probably be even worse with bassey though. he theoretically complements Objectively Good though
    It’ll be a Vassell-Castle backcourt after this season. Paul won’t be here forever. I like the 4-5 Sochan-Wemby pairing personally, but it doesn’t work with the other two unless the 3 is a sniper.

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    Castle needs to stay starting. He is our 4th pick not some random 18th pick..He has shown enough promise to let him play through mistakes ..He should be lock for 25-30 minutes a night.. Mitch really lost it with him when Sochan came back from injury..
    Before last night he hadn't had a good game in awhile and had actually had some really bad ones. This team is trying to compete and I think the leash is going to be tight which is a good thing unless you want more uncompe ive players like Devin.

    We need to be at a stage where minutes are earned. It's important for player development.

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    Another starting opportunity for Castle tomorrow, hopefully he makes the most of it.




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