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Good lord I spotted a redundancy in your post? Is he also going to be a breathing Larry Bird? Because Larry also breathed.good lord, dude
You also said he wasn’t generational, but was going to be Larry Bird. That’s a contradiction.
Good lord I spotted a redundancy in your post? Is he also going to be a breathing Larry Bird? Because Larry also breathed.
You also said he wasn’t generational, but was going to be Larry Bird. That’s a contradiction.
Hahah Larry Bird was kind of a brother though.
Id obviously love Flagg, but would be really happy if landed Harper somehow.
When someone says something, immediately followed by the words "in all seriousness", the typical implication is that the previous statement wasn't serious.
I'm finally coming to understand that English must not be your first language. It all makes sense now.
Honestly, I don't want either of these guys and not because they aren't good prospects.
I don't think Flagg or Harper (or anyone else from this class, frankly) is going to have the kind of immediate impact that we've seen from recent picks like Wemby, Paolo, Ant, Ja, etc. That isn't meant to be a diss on these guys, but I think they'll take a couple of seasons to be able to contribute at a high level on a team with playoff aspirations, and I think that will send the Spurs into a trap.
Let's say we did get lucky in the lottery and land the #1 or #2 pick. I think that could work IF we still aggressively pursued vet talent and a #2 for the team. Unfortunately, I think what would more likely happen is that the Spurs would feel that they're picking their #2, elect to "be patient and see what we have" and wait for that guy to develop. By then, you'll have wasted Wemby's non-Max years, which I'd hate to see.
It would be an ultra-conservative, ultra-patient approach that I wouldn't go as far to say would "backfire", but I think it would lead to suboptimal usage of the truly one-of-a-kind talent we have on the team now in Wemby.
Just my opinion.
So, he’s not going to be a white Larry Bird? What color will he be?
The ‘in all seriousness’ was in the next paragraph. The Larry Bird nonsense was all alone in the first paragraph.
What it must be like talking to exstatic in real life:
Barrett isn't in the conversation with Flagg and Zion. Zion's failure in the league is a health/dedication issue. All signs point to Flagg being a well-rounded star--something you could never say about Zion (short, bad FT shooter) and certainly not RJ Barrett.
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I think Flagg would be the perfect pick for us. He isn’t a franchise player but man he would be a great #2 player. He just fills a lot of gaps that we have. He shoots 80% from the line so you know he has that capacity to become a 3 point shooter. And he will be too big and strong and fast for most people to defend him
A big wing would be a perfect pair for Wemby, more at 8.
I still think Wemby's #2 should be a Markkanen type wing. Easier said than done, but still.
6'9+ elite 3pt shooter that's not a negative on defense and we're good to go with some more high end role players.
Hopefully either Markkanen is available this summer or Suns blow it up and we get KD.
I don't get Zion vibes at all. Zion's a lazy drafted into a perfect situation who pissed away one in a billion talent. The fact that Flagg is such a high end defender tells you he has probably worked like a dog for all the success he has had. Bailey is the only guy I worry about bust potential with at the top of this lottery.
Just because I'm bored, I've got a hypothetical for you that would never ever happen but let's say just for fun. Stars align and Spurs get #1 overall yet again. What would it take for you to give up the #1 overall either in a trade down to late lottery/late first?
For example, are you giving that up if Presti dials you up for JDub? How about if Weltman in Orlando comes in offering Franz Wagner? Or if Stevens puts Jalen Brown on the table as the centerpiece?
EDIT: This hypothetical would be for either Flagg or Harper, whichever you like better
Man, that's really tough. The specific players you mention are difficult, because they're all either on a max or about to be on a max, which has to go into my calculus.
If I'm the GM, here are my preferred pathways:
1. Take Flagg or Harper (for this exercise, doesn't matter which one) and then make another acquisition where I overpay if I have to for another star.
Booker, Fox, Markkanen would be the top 3 I can think of right now would might reasonably be available (the guys you mentioned would likely not be available in any cir stance short of Flagg or Harper being viewed as generational). I'm talking about putting Vassell, Sochan, and all of our excess picks on the table.
Example trade: Vassell + Sochan + 2/3 FRPs for Fox
New hypothetical lineup #1:
Fox/Tre Jones
Castle/TBD
Champ/Keldon (but actually TBD)
Flagg/Barnes
Wemby/TBD
As you can see, I'm resigning Tre to be the backup PG (unless CP3 is willing to be the backup), and I've got 3 other acquisitions I need to make this offseason: backup SG, backup C and upgrading Keldon. Maybe one of those spots is a Liam McNeely or Drake Powell if the draft capital to get Fox is future picks not 2025 picks.
Hypothetical lineup #2:
CP3/Tre
Castle/TBD
Markkanen/Champ
Flagg/Barnes
Wemby/TBD
or
Harper/Tre
Castle/TBD
Markkanen/Champ
Barnes/TBD
Wemby/TBD
The first Lauri lineup I might like the best, though it still leaves unanswered questions about the future of the PG position. The third lineup is also interesting as well, but I probably prefer the first or second.
2. Trade the #1 or #2 pick.
I don't think I'd want to do something like Jaylen Brown and pick #29 for #1. I'm out on that, and not because of Jaylen Brown (who I actually am a fan of). If OKC wants to do JWill and say pick #8 from Philly (we're making a lot of assumptions here... and I don't think Philly actually ends up with pick #8)... then I've got something to think about.
But what if it's something like ATL (via SAC) at Pick #4 and they are offering up that and Jalen Johnson and another future pick? Hmmmmm.... again, now I have something to think about. Say I do that and get Jalen Johnson's flat 5/150. I take Egor or Kasparas at #4, and then I still go out and try to trade Vassell and Sochan to upgrade the roster. (Note: it should be clear by now that I'm interested in getting rid of Vassell, but why Sochan? I actually really like what Sochan has done this year, but I think there is a major compatibility issue if Castle is going to be part of our core. Basically, I'm choosing Castle over Jeremy).
What if the resulting roster is:
Egor/Tre
Castle/TBD
Jalen Johnson/Champ
Kevin Durant/Barnes
Wemby/TBD
You could also make still go for Lauri and insert him for KD?
In this case, I'm still choosing scenario #1, but it's a lot closer than the scenarios you threw out there
3. Take Flagg or Harper and don't make any major moves.
This is my least favorite scenario, but what I would expect the Spurs to do. It's hard to complain too much about this because it would still be AWESOME and it would mean we've been blessed yet again by the basketball gods. But I think the resulting lineup would be:
CP3/Tre/Wesley
Vassell/Castle/Branham
Sochan/Keldon/Champ
Flagg/Barnes/TBD
Wemby/TBD/Collins
I could 1000% see the Spurs doing this, and it would be hard to not be excited about that or blame them... but I think it would be suboptimal. This team isn't just Cooper Flagg or Dylan Harper away from being a contender. The same weaknesses that we have right now will still be there, in fact maybe even amplified because we'll have yet another non-shooter as part of our core rotation.
Maybe instead we go Harper?
Harper/Tre/Wesley
Vassell/Castle/Branham
Sochan/Champ/TBD
Barnes/Keldon/TBD
Wemby/TBD/Collins
Again... something to get excited about... but all the problems with Vassell and our depth still exist.
At the end of the day, it's a matter of trust with this FO. I think their "patience" mantra is just a little too complacent. With that said, they are the pros and I'm just a fan. But my fandom does grant me license to voice my opinions of what I would prefer they do instead.
That was a fun thought experiment, thanks homie!
Flagg may be a white version of Larry Bird at this rate
Because Bird was black?
If we get the #1 gotta get me one of these: https://www.oflynncustomcreations.co...ar-copper-flag
Not so sure about Harper, but Flagg is living up to the hype. You don't trade Flagg on a rookie contract for anything short of an MVP candidate (Jokic, Giannis, Doncic, SGA, Tatum) back IMO...
Yes, the MVP candidate is a better player (currently), but contract salary and effective years of control matter.
I get your point, but I think this is overrating Flagg quite a bit IMO. I think there is the LeBron/Wemby tier of #1 picks, then you get to the Zion/AD tier, then the Paolo tier... and I think I'd put Flagg probably in that tier (with Paolo probably slightly ahead). Obviously, still a lot of All NBA (and future HOF) caliber players out of those tiers... but I don't rate Flagg as some kind of generational can't-miss prospect. Higher floor than some others, but a much lower ceiling, IMO as well. His median outcome is probably something like an 18/8 guy who plays solid defense.
You know Larry Bird is white, right?
I'd urge you to reconsider that assessment. Compare their seasons in CBB.
https://www.tankathon.com/players/co...paolo-banchero
Let see. Cooper is a year younger. Had a slower start (on offense) to the season and has been improving ever since. Cooper plays both ends (Banchero isn't much defensively), and is GOOD at both ends of the floor. Either being younger or defending would bump him up a tier; with both?!?
I'll give you that I don't think Flagg is in the Wemby/Lebron/Doncic tier as a prospect (although he's working on it). But he's in the Zion/AD tier:
https://x.com/freewave3/status/1878193949837271203
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