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    I'm considering doing a new build now nigs

    I'd say budget is under $1000

    My current build is:
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    I can probably sell it for $500 and then Can put in $500 more

    Is it even worth considering a new build?

    Or no?

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    I'm considering doing a new build now nigs

    I'd say budget is under $1000

    My current build is:
    RTX 3070
    Intel i9 10850k
    32gb RAM
    Asus ROG Z490

    I can probably sell it for $500 and then Can put in $500 more

    Is it even worth considering a new build?

    Or no?
    If you do stay the away from Intel cpus. 13th and 14th gen Intel cpus are absolute trash. Not only do they use ridiculous amounts of power but they crash like too if you don't aggressively cap power limits on them. I expect they will have a class action brought against them by 13900k, 14900k, and maybe 13600k, 13700k, 14600k, and 14700k buyers too. AMD Ryzen 7 7800x3D is by far the best gaming cpu on the market and even wrecks the new Ryzen 9000 series just released. While also beating the more expensive Ryzen 9 7950X and Ryzen 9 7950x3D.

    Your gpu is going to have trouble at 1440p these days, and mostly because Nvidia cheaped out on the VRAM in a blatant case of planned obsolescence. Was criminal to put only 8GB on those cards. The AMD RX 6700 XT is a little weaker a gpu just on pure grunt but it being a 12GB card has made it age way better than the RTX 3070. Nvidia still put 8GB on the 4060 Ti and 4060 this gen and they're the two worst 'midrange' cards since the garbage GTX 960 ten years ago. I put 'midrange' in quotes because they're $400 cards and the performance class we used to call midrange for $300 is now $500 (AMD) / $600 (Nvidia).

    Nvidia is no longer a gaming company, they make their money on AI now and could give a what their reputation is with scrub ass gamers. Best gpu for the money right now is the AMD RX 7800 XT for about $490 with two free games (Lies of P and Starfield would be my choices but the Avatar game and Company of Heroes 3 could be subs uted too). Cars is only about 30-35% faster than a 3070 at 1440p when the 3070 isn't VRAM limited though. Could also get the Nvidia RTX 4070 Super for about $580 which is 7% faster than the 7800 XT at 1440p when not using raytracing and significantly faster when using RT (wgaf, RT sucks). The bigger draw for Nvidia is DLSS upscaling available on their cards is much better than FSR upscaling available on AMD when upscaling from low resolutions like 720p and 1080p. The downside is Nvidia and their planned obsolescence again by only putting 12GB on their 4070 Super while the 7800 XT from AMD has 16GB. It's a real minefield and gpu performance has stagnated badly.

    tl;dr version -- grab your ankles if upgrading. Or also if not if you don't want to lower resolution and settings to not lose a ton of performance thanks to the 8GB on the 3070.
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    New build:

    ASUS TUF Z790 PRO Motherboard
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    New build:

    ASUS TUF Z790 PRO Motherboard
    Intel Core i9 14900K (@baseline bum I already know what you're going to say about temps and class action suits lol)
    Corsair H150i Elite Liquid CPU Cooler
    Corsair Vengeance 32 GB RAM
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    Why in the would you ever buy an Intel chip for gaming now? Intel is absolute trash right now, especially in the high end. The cache in the Ryzen 7 7800x3D makes it a better gaming CPU while using far less power (14900k uses 2.5x the power in gaming). They're ing slowing the 14900k in BIOS updates now to keep it from killing motherboards so it won't even run as well as in benchmarks (which is really bad already for the power it consumes). Would be like buying the trash Pentium 4 series back when Athlon XP was kicking the out of it on both performance and price. There's a reason Intel stock price is only 1/3 of what it was 3 years ago while AMD stock has shot to the moon in the same time period despite AMD's gpus lagging horribly behind Nvidia these days.

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    Why in the would you ever buy an Intel chip for gaming now? Intel is absolute trash right now, especially in the high end. The cache in the Ryzen 7 7800x3D makes it a better gaming CPU while using far less power (14900k uses 2.5x the power in gaming). They're ing slowing the 14900k in BIOS updates now to keep it from killing motherboards so it won't even run as well as in benchmarks (which is really bad already for the power it consumes). Would be like buying the trash Pentium 4 series back when Athlon XP was kicking the out of it on both performance and price. There's a reason Intel stock price is only 1/3 of what it was 3 years ago while AMD stock has shot to the moon in the same time period despite AMD's gpus lagging horribly behind Nvidia these days.

    well I haven’t locked in my order yet.. any big differences that I should be aware of if I switched my motherboard and processor to the 7800x3d?

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    Why in the would you ever buy an Intel chip for gaming now? Intel is absolute trash right now, especially in the high end. The cache in the Ryzen 7 7800x3D makes it a better gaming CPU while using far less power (14900k uses 2.5x the power in gaming). They're ing slowing the 14900k in BIOS updates now to keep it from killing motherboards so it won't even run as well as in benchmarks (which is really bad already for the power it consumes). Would be like buying the trash Pentium 4 series back when Athlon XP was kicking the out of it on both performance and price. There's a reason Intel stock price is only 1/3 of what it was 3 years ago while AMD stock has shot to the moon in the same time period despite AMD's gpus lagging horribly behind Nvidia these days.

    also, what is the absolute best Ryzen rn? I don’t just use it for games it’s also for video editing and graphic/audio design

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    well I haven’t locked in my order yet.. any big differences that I should be aware of if I switched my motherboard and processor to the 7800x3d?
    Don't need as good a board to run a 7800x3D as you would a 14900k since it uses way less power. Probably don't need as high end a cooler either, unless you just going water cooler for aesthetics. I'd opt for higher speed RAM. Not that I'm saying to buy stupidly expensive RAM, but for instance when I bought my DDR4-3200 it was basically the same price for DDR4-3600, 3200, 2666, etc. Only bought 3200 because I have a locked i5-12400F whose memory controller can't handle DDR4-3600 (in that price class around $150 Intel made sense in 2022 when I bought it due to having slightly higher IPC than the Ryzen 5 5600 but Ryzen 7 7800x3D demolishes everything on both IPC and all out gaming performance at any price). But with a cpu as strong as 7800x3D you can definitely introduce bottlenecks if you go too low speed on RAM if you're targeting 144+ fps. Or playing Baldur's Gate 3.

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    also, what is the absolute best Ryzen rn? I don’t just use it for games it’s also for video editing and graphic/audio design
    Ryzen 7 7950x3D is king of the hill then, although i9-14900k seems to be a little faster h.265/HEVC, h.264, and AVC1 encoding, assuming you're doing software encoding so the file sizes are decent for the video quality on the wife's OnlyFans posts.

    https://www.techpowerup.com/review/i...14900k/16.html

    Though Intel's newest chips are coming in out in 5 days so might want to wait for reviews.
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    Ryzen 7 7950x3D is king of the hill then, although i9-14900k seems to be a little faster h.265/HEVC, h.264, and AVC1 encoding, assuming you're doing software encoding so the file sizes are decent for the video quality on the wife's OnlyFans posts.

    https://www.techpowerup.com/review/i...14900k/16.html

    Though Intel's newest chips are coming in out in 5 days so might want to wait for reviews.
    Lmao @ OF.

    Have early reports talked about improving the power consumption or temp issues with Intels new offerings? And yeah, although I like the way the AIO looks with the easy to read CPU temps on the contact itself, I’m fine with another 212 Black instead and put the money towards something more useful. From the gaming benchmarks I’m looking at I do see where the majority of games on the 7800x3d run better than the higher costing ones.

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    Lmao @ OF.

    Have early reports talked about improving the power consumption or temp issues with Intels new offerings? And yeah, although I like the way the AIO looks with the easy to read CPU temps on the contact itself, I’m fine with another 212 Black instead and put the money towards something more useful. From the gaming benchmarks I’m looking at I do see where the majority of games on the 7800x3d run better than the higher costing ones.
    212 is a terrible air cooler these days, that era is long since dead. I just use a stock cooler since I'm only running a 12400F but there are way better coolers in the $40 to $50 range these days. IIRC Deepcool and Thermalright have budget coolers these days that mop the floor with Hyper 212 and are more in line with old school Noctua quality. Check Gamers Nexus for their cooler reviews.

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    Ryzen 7 7950x3D is king of the hill then, although i9-14900k seems to be a little faster h.265/HEVC, h.264, and AVC1 encoding, assuming you're doing software encoding so the file sizes are decent for the video quality on the wife's OnlyFans posts.

    https://www.techpowerup.com/review/i...14900k/16.html

    Though Intel's newest chips are coming in out in 5 days so might want to wait for reviews.
    Also, why are you recommended the 7000 series AMD instead of the latest 9000 ones?

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    Also, why are you recommended the 7000 series AMD instead of the latest 9000 ones?
    AMD doesn't release the 3D vertical cache x3D chips until mid gen. They mostly target gaming by boosting cache enormously. While the 14900k is burning 200W in Cyberpunk with clockspeed pushed balls to the wall the 7950x3D gets 30% higher framerates at about 60W thanks to having 4x the L3 cache (128MB vs 32MB) and the 7800x3D performs similarly to the 7950x3d at about 50W thanks to having 96MB L3 cache. I mean this is ing nuts how much better the x3d chips are in a game like Cyberpunk that hits the cpu hard than is Intel's flagship:




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    i9-14900k = 2024 version of FX-9590
    7950x3d = 2024 version of i7-4790k

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    AMD doesn't release the 3D vertical cache x3D chips until mid gen. They mostly target gaming by boosting cache enormously. While the 14900k is burning 200W in Cyberpunk with clockspeed pushed balls to the wall the 7950x3D gets 30% higher framerates at about 60W thanks to having 4x the L3 cache (128MB vs 32MB) and the 7800x3D performs similarly to the 7950x3d at about 50W thanks to having 96MB L3 cache. I mean this is ing nuts how much better the x3d chips are in a game like Cyberpunk that hits the cpu hard than is Intel's flagship:

    Yeah, I watched a bunch of videos on YT last night and I see how they do things now. The x3D chips are basically the equivalent of Nvidia dropping their Ti models on their GPU's.. I will wait and see what reviews are on the new Intel 285k and if they're still having the same issues, AMD it is

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    Yeah, I watched a bunch of videos on YT last night and I see how they do things now. The x3D chips are basically the equivalent of Nvidia dropping their Ti models on their GPU's.. I will wait and see what reviews are on the new Intel 285k and if they're still having the same issues, AMD it is
    It's not quite the same thing. Nvidia's Ti models are like mid gen spec bumps to maintain high prices as manufacturing gets better, but they're still basically the same chip but with more cores enabled because of better yields on a more mature process. AMD's x3D are wholly different cpus to their regular line because of the huge bump in cache designed to target gaming, and they only release them mid gen because if they didn't it would cannibalize all their early gen sales. But like the Ti the x3D helps them maintain high cpu prices the entire gen once the original chips have stopped selling well.

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    Yeah, I watched a bunch of videos on YT last night and I see how they do things now. The x3D chips are basically the equivalent of Nvidia dropping their Ti models on their GPU's.. I will wait and see what reviews are on the new Intel 285k and if they're still having the same issues, AMD it is
    Was a little curious why the Ryzen 7 7800x3D has been shooting up in price lately. Looks like maybe AMD has halted production of it for a Ryzen 7 9800x3D launch in 2.5 weeks.


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    Was a little curious why the Ryzen 7 7800x3D has been shooting up in price lately. Looks like maybe AMD has halted production of it for a Ryzen 7 9800x3D launch in 2.5 weeks.

    Same. I saw videos referencing the 7800x3D as around 360.00 but everywhere I see is around 450.00.. and yeah I seent earlier that the new x3D's will be releasing 11/7, so I'll likely be getting the 9800x3D asap.. also, not liking the prices of x870E motherboards.. Dp I need one to run a 9000 series AMD chip or is it just better performing?

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    Same. I saw videos referencing the 7800x3D as around 360.00 but everywhere I see is around 450.00.. and yeah I seent earlier that the new x3D's will be releasing 11/7, so I'll likely be getting the 9800x3D asap.. also, not liking the prices of x870E motherboards.. Dp I need one to run a 9000 series AMD chip or is it just better performing?
    You should go ask around on a PC gamer forum like LinusTechTips or something for board recommendations. Also 9800x3D will likely be a straight gaming focused chip with 8 cores, 16 threads, so the 7950x3D might end up better for your use if you're doing a lot of CPU intensive outside gaming. 9000 series has minimal performance improvement vs 7000 series (eg 9700X is 3.5% faster in gaming than 7700X and is actually slightly slower than 7700X in H.265 HEVC encoding for instance).

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    You should go ask around on a PC gamer forum like LinusTechTips or something for board recommendations. Also 9800x3D will likely be a straight gaming focused chip with 8 cores, 16 threads, so the 7950x3D might end up better for your use if you're doing a lot of CPU intensive outside gaming. 9000 series has minimal performance improvement vs 7000 series (eg 9700X is 3.5% faster in gaming than 7700X and is actually slightly slower than 7700X in H.265 HEVC encoding for instance).
    I think I’d go with the 9800x3D.. save a little

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    I think I’d go with the 9800x3D.. save a little
    JFC the $590 Core Ultra 285k reviews just dropped and... it only matches AMD's budget $250 Ryzen 5 9600X in gaming. Absolutely pathetic.


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    JFC the $590 Core Ultra 285k reviews just dropped and... it only matches AMD's budget $250 Ryzen 5 9600X in gaming. Absolutely pathetic.
    Yeah, Intel is ed.. I'm switching to AMD. Soon as the 9800x3D is available I'm gonna order all my parts. Tired of my 9600k bottlenecking all the games I like

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    Intel has been a big doodoo for a while now. Go for the X3D Ryzen.

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    Intel has been a big doodoo for a while now. Go for the X3D Ryzen.
    Ready to order the 9800X3D soon as it's listed

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    AMD Overtakes Intel in Datacenter Sales For First Time

    AMD has surpassed Intel in datacenter processor sales for the first time in history, marking a dramatic shift in the server chip market. AMD's datacenter revenue hit $3.549 billion in Q3, edging out Intel's $3.3 billion, according to SemiAnalysis.
    The milestone ends Intel's decades-long dominance in server processors, where it held over 90% market share until recent years. AMD's EPYC processors now power many high-end servers, commanding premium prices despite selling at lower costs than comparable Intel chips.

    https://www.tomshardware.com/pc-comp...tacenter-space

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    Intel gonna ask for a bailout from Uncle Sam anytime now...

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    Ready to order the 9800X3D soon as it's listed
    Reviews are out and it skull s the i9-14900k and Core Ultra 9 285k in gaming.


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