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PG13 needs to focus less on this crap, and more on giving a on the court.
this mother er. I still remember it like yesterday. Bull shot that shouldn't have counted. The Spurs are at least owed a game 7. Might of won it in 6, but at the very least, we were owed a game 7.
It literally wasn't by the rules.
The rule was that with 0.4 seconds a player can just catch and shoot. He caught it, turned around and shot. Illegal by the rules back then. And was obviously late.
Btw, thank you for reminding us of this bs to start our weekend.
Yeah, I remember that. Couldn't remember the exact rule, but as soon as I saw that the shot clock was 0.4 after Tim's amazing shot over Shaq, I knew they can't get a regular shot off in that amount of time. Not only was the shot clock started late, but to catch, turn and shoot, it should never have counted any way that you look at it. I thought they'd go for a tip-in. I literally thought the game was over when I saw how much time was left on the shotclock, so that is why I was so angry after it. It deflated the Spurs and they were also probably feeling pretty ting going into game 6 having been screwed over. I also remember the team filing a protest after the game.
I also don't know what Dfish was smoking about them smoking us is game 6. The Spurs actaully played a decent game 6 on the road, but you could tell they were weren't hyped up going into the game. If they had gone into that game with a win, I'm sure the Spurs would have felt much better and possibly closed them out on the road, if not, we at least should have had the opportunity for a game 7 at home. ing David Stern and his dream finals matchup (when asked what his dream finals matchup would be, he said Lakers Vs Lakers). He always gave the Lakers the benefit of the doubt. Just like the Kings also getting screwed over a couple of years beforehand, I'm certain David Stern gave them any help he could. If that were the reverse situation, I always wondered if he would have stepped in and done something about it.
He got the shot off in time. Jackson consistently out coached Pop. Fisher is a piece of and nobody should care what he says or thinks.
When you say he got the shot off in time, you do mean because the shot clock was started after he caught the ball, right? Technically he did, but if it wasn't started late, no chance he could have caught, turned and shot it within 0.4 seconds.
What I do remember is kobe getting smeared on a mountain side.
Fisher. There‘s no way a player can get a turnaround J off in 0.4 seconds. That was the turning point of the series.
I remembered watching that game. Spurs fell behind pretty early as TP was not performing. They managed to crawl their way back with Timmy's miracle long 2 over Shaq.....D-Fish 0.4 sec shot was defended really well by Manu.
But the 2004 Pistons were really scary. Even if we beat LAL and T-wolves in the WCF, the Finals would be a uphill battle
I remember the Spurs outplayed the Lakers in games 1 and 2, and some of the Lakers players were fighting amongst themselves. Apparently Gary Payton asked for help to guard TP as he admitted to his teammates that he can't guard him which I was suprised to hear from an all defense guard such as himself (I know he wasn't in his prime during that series, but still, that would be pretty tough to admit). The real turning point (if you want to call it that) was Phil Jackson deciding to leave players open and that is how the Lakers got back into the series. They couldn't guard TP, so they just left him open and also some of the Spurs other shooters open too. IMO, they gave up and it was a last ditch attempt to get back into it. It didn't help that guys like Hedo who was OK during the season, but really started feeling the pressure in the Lakers series (this sucked because he became a pretty good player for the Magic in clutch situations after leaving the Spurs), and I think he was also having a hard time in general throughout the season as I think he got blasted by Pop a few times for defense. In any case, I feel the Spurs would have gotten confidence winning game 5 and adjusted better getting another win under their belts. They still had a good chance to win if they won game 5. I would have loved to have seen how the Lakers would have handled that pressure being in an elimination situation.
A lot of people bring up Detroit, but I still feel the Spurs could have beaten them. No disresepct to the Pistons as they played great team ball, but the Lakers also could/should have beaten them. Kobe was trying to prove a point and outplay Tayshaun Price who played great defense throughout most of the play offs (the Reggie Miller block would have been all over the highlights during the playoffs, so I think Kobe wanted to prove he can't be stopped). It didn't help that Shaq was shooting something like 60%+ when he got the ball but Kobe wasn't passing the ball, and then you had Karl Malone who hurt his knee again just before the finals. It also kind of sucks as Kobe hardly ever played like that against the Spurs. I remember a lot of the time, he'd lock in and focus against the Spurs and usually play his best individually while also playing more a more team oriented game against us. If Malone was healthy in the finals, I think he would have been enough to get them over the line even with the infighting between Kobe and Shaq. I'm not sure if I am remembering all of this correctly.
It is kind of weird thinking about it as I never really thought about the parallels before, but it seems Malone and TD ended their careers a very similar way. Karl Malone was playing really well early in the season (definitely was looking like he could play more seasons), then he hurt his knee and the Lakers misdiagnosed his injury, and I think gave him the wrong rehab program and it made it even worse. I think he was feeling better in the Spurs series, but hurt it again after the Spurs series (I think in the Minnesota series, or maybe game 1 or 2 against Detroit). If it wasn't for his knee, he might have still played a few more seasons. He definitely would have made a big difference in the finals and possibly swayed the series LA's way if his knee was OK.
I thought they changed the rules after that shot.
Also the spurs that year was terrible offensively. There’s no way they could’ve gone past the pistons. I’m not even sure rheh can beat the wolves.
The night it happened, I went through the play with the frame by frame on my DVR. It was like four clicks per tenth of a second. I was angry about the loss and trying to prove that we got ed by the NBA. He got the shot off in time. If you are good at searching, you can find my post about it on this forum from the night of the game.
EDIT: Just to make it clear, I counted the tenths of a second from the time he caught it to the time it left his hand. It was less than four tenths. I'd love to be able to call that little got a cheater and an illegitimate champ and whatever as much as anybody. He 100 percent made a legit game winner. Just be grateful that it's taken three or four of the most famous clutch shots in league history to beat our team.
im just glad they lost to the pistons that year. that kind of softened the blow of that shot.
Has the person who was the time keeper ever been revealed?
The only saving grace from this is that they didn't chip with their stupid superteam. Was so glad to see Detroit sweep them.
Detroit really was the best team in the NBA that year.
You're right, I remember now (I'd somehow forgot that as I remember it stung that they changed the rules after it happened), the rules were changed after that shot saying you can't do that with 0.4 seconds left. I think it was tip-in only from that point on?
I disagree about they couldn't beat either team. The killed LA first two games until LA basically gave up and started leaving certain players wide open to double team. I think those players might have gotten confidence if they were to beat LA. I think they beat Minnesota and Detroit would have been 50/50.
Fair enough, but how accurate was that DVR of yours? I'm not sure about the accuracy, as Ambchang said, the NBA changed the rules after that shot saying it's not possible to do that. It seems they said it was not technically possible to do that going forward. I'm guessing they would have done testing too? My search skills aren't good enough to dig up your old thread. I wasn't a member here at the time so I missed it. Would have been interesting to read.
And yeah, I do always think that, man, the Spurs were a few miracles away from 8 Championships. We were that close. Not many other teams ever came that close to winning that many. It took some miracle shots/plays to beat the Spurs on a few of those years they didn't win. As much as I loved 2003-2008, there were some seasons there that I remember more than the ones the Spurs won. 2006 was also another one. TD got hacked on that last play, yet Dirk gets a soft touch foul from Manu. I don't get it. I know the NBA lets them play and doesn't want to decide the game with a call, but it was a clear fould as TD's arms were raked under the basket. Should have had free throws.
2008, that one wasn't as close, but I wonder what would have happened if Manu was healthy. Brent Barry should have had free throws as well, but even winning that game might not have helped with Manu having the injured ankle. This one hurt due to it looking like the end of the era until the Spurs were able to retool a few years later and open the window again to another amazing run of years 2012-2017.
The spurs finished 19 in offense that year. Usually a team would have to be too 10 in both o and d rating to be a le contender. There are exceptions (nuggets, 21 warriors, lakers) but it’s really during a time of league parity and they are pretty much all considered weak champions. But still none of them finished in the bottom half of the league in o or d when they won the le.
The spurs had clear issues on offense that year. Tony couldn’t shoot, manu wasn’t good yet, there was no bench, turkoglu sucked. The team would be a 30 win team without duncan and I’m being generous.
And the next year the spurs got better (by a lot) and the pistons got worse and the spurs barely beat them in 7.
I remember that it was a certain number of frame clicks per tenth of a second, which count down at the end of the game. It's easy enough to calibrate. Then just multiply by four and count the clicks from the time he caught the ball to the time it left his hands.
Whether the clock started early or not was removed as a factor by my process. It was digital video recorded from the live broadcast with their own official clock in the corner. I'm not sure how that could be inaccurate.
I remember there was a Lakers fan who did a video that Fisher didn't get the shot off in time but there was a flaw in it. It was over 20 years ago so that's what I remember.
I did a search. It looks like everything was deleted from about 2005 back. I seem to remember it disappearing during one of the rebuilds of the site. Again, all of this is a long time ago. Frankly strange to think about how long we have been yelling at each other about basketball around here.
They 100% started the clock late on that shot. That‘s super obvious
Gentleman's sweep* but yea, one of my all-time favorite sports memories was watching them get their pushed in by Detroit that series and watching Lakers fans turn on Kobe in real time cause he was playing hero ball and wouldn't stop chucking incessantly every game. And watching that pedophile Karl Malone sulking the bench knowing he was never going to ring. That series ended the Shaq and Kobe era too. Beautiful stuff tbh.
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