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    Just like the Internet, roads, and literally everything else. The irony is this political storm was set off by cutting waste to foreign countries and other absurd en ies while the hope is focusing on basic needs for US citizens. Why do you want to ignore California fire victims in order to continue to funnel money overseas?
    False dilemma. There's funding for both.

    But hey, since we're cutting cancer research, do we really need all those Space X contracts?

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    False dilemma. There's funding for both.

    But hey, since we're cutting cancer research, do we really need all those Space X contracts?
    You're right. Going back to NASA or Boeing should work well.

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    Just like the Internet, roads, and literally everything else. The irony is this political storm was set off by cutting waste to foreign countries and other absurd en ies while the hope is focusing on basic needs for US citizens. Why do you want to ignore California fire victims in order to continue to funnel money overseas?
    Focusing on the needs to cut Social Security for US citizens?

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    Bought the govt cheese. $20 would get you a trunkload of groceries.
    So you were lying before. Or maybe you're lying now.

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    Also LOL self made. Weren't you and your parents on welfare when you were a kid? I remember the way you used to brag about how much you liked government cheese. So your parents are also dummies by your logic since they were poor? LOL being fed by the state but then wanting to kick the ladder out after you climbed it. Such a sociopath.
    This dispatcher I used to work with was just like that. She would cry and complain about how the democrats here in MD were taking her money going towards all these “state run help programs” that she shouldn’t have to pay into. But literally was on the phone the next week trying to get state benefits for her son . I’ve come to realize as far as the right goes en lement programs are A-ok as long as it benefits them. But for anyone else it “muh tax dollars “

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    Just like the Internet, roads, and literally everything else. The irony is this political storm was set off by cutting waste to foreign countries and other absurd en ies while the hope is focusing on basic needs for US citizens. Why do you want to ignore California fire victims in order to continue to funnel money overseas?
    Who says they're being ignored?

    You're pretty stupid to think it's all a zero sum game.

    You would never want to focus on the basic needs for US citizens (unless it's you) so why even bring it up?

    BTW thanks for ting on your own self-made man nonsense.

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    You're right. Going back to NASA or Boeing should work well.
    We don't need to go back to the moon or Mars at all.

    It will work very well.

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    the US should have no friends?
    Correct

    US is a country not a person.

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    Imagine seeing North Korea and going "i wish our country was like theirs".

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    Who says they're being ignored?

    You're pretty stupid to think it's all a zero sum game.

    You would never want to focus on the basic needs for US citizens (unless it's you) so why even bring it up?

    BTW thanks for ting on your own self-made man nonsense.
    LOL always love this argument.

    Alice: foreigners, we need to use that wasted money to take care of Americans instead.
    Bob: OK so let's do things to make Americans lives better.
    Alice: No them too.

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    This dispatcher I used to work with was just like that. She would cry and complain about how the democrats here in MD were taking her money going towards all these “state run help programs” that she shouldn’t have to pay into. But literally was on the phone the next week trying to get state benefits for her son . I’ve come to realize as far as the right goes en lement programs are A-ok as long as it benefits them. But for anyone else it “muh tax dollars “
    The indoctrination of Americans that democrats are evil.

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    LOL always love this argument.

    Alice: foreigners, we need to use that wasted money to take care of Americans instead.
    Bob: OK so let's do things to make Americans lives better.
    Alice: No them too.
    Muh MilTary aNd muH boRdeR

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    Correct

    US is a country not a person.

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    Correct

    US is a country not a person.
    No allies, then

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    Norway just disavowed us.

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    So likewise, a passionate attachment of one nation for another produces a variety of evils. Sympathy for the favorite nation, facilitating the illusion of an imaginary common interest in cases where no real common interest exists, and infusing into one the enmities of the other, betrays the former into a participation in the quarrels and wars of the latter without adequate inducement or justification. It leads also to concessions to the favorite nation of privileges denied to others which is apt doubly to injure the nation making the concessions; by unnecessarily parting with what ought to have been retained, and by exciting jealousy, ill-will, and a disposition to retaliate, in the parties from whom equal privileges are withheld. And it gives to ambitious, corrupted, or deluded citizens (who devote themselves to the favorite nation), facility to betray or sacrifice the interests of their own country, without odium, sometimes even with popularity; gilding, with the appearances of a virtuous sense of obligation, a commendable deference for public opinion, or a laudable zeal for public good, the base or foolish compliances of ambition, corruption, or infatuation.

    As avenues to foreign influence in innumerable ways, such attachments are particularly alarming to the truly enlightened and independent patriot. How many opportunities do they afford to tamper with domestic factions, to practice the arts of seduction, to mislead public opinion, to influence or awe the public councils. Such an attachment of a small or weak towards a great and powerful nation dooms the former to be the satellite of the latter.

    Against the insidious wiles of foreign influence (I conjure you to believe me, fellow-citizens) the jealousy of a free people ought to be constantly awake, since history and experience prove that foreign influence is one of the most baneful foes of republican government. But that jealousy to be useful must be impartial; else it becomes the instrument of the very influence to be avoided, instead of a defense against it. Excessive partiality for one foreign nation and excessive dislike of another cause those whom they actuate to see danger only on one side, and serve to veil and even second the arts of influence on the other. Real patriots who may resist the intrigues of the favorite are liable to become suspected and odious, while its tools and dupes usurp the applause and confidence of the people, to surrender their interests.

    The great rule of conduct for us in regard to foreign nations is in extending our commercial relations, to have with them as little political connection as possible. So far as we have already formed engagements, let them be fulfilled with perfect good faith. Here let us stop. Europe has a set of primary interests which to us have none; or a very remote relation. Hence she must be engaged in frequent controversies, the causes of which are essentially foreign to our concerns. Hence, therefore, it must be unwise in us to implicate ourselves by artificial ties in the ordinary vicissitudes of her politics, or the ordinary combinations and collisions of her friendships or enmities.

    Our detached and distant situation invites and enables us to pursue a different course. If we remain one people under an efficient government. the period is not far off when we may defy material injury from external annoyance; when we may take such an at ude as will cause the neutrality we may at any time resolve upon to be scrupulously respected; when belligerent nations, under the impossibility of making acquisitions upon us, will not lightly hazard the giving us provocation; when we may choose peace or war, as our interest, guided by justice, shall counsel.

    Why forego the advantages of so peculiar a situation? Why quit our own to stand upon foreign ground? Why, by interweaving our destiny with that of any part of Europe, entangle our peace and prosperity in the toils of European ambition, rivalship, interest, humor or caprice?

    It is our true policy to steer clear of permanent alliances with any portion of the foreign world; so far, I mean, as we are now at liberty to do it; for let me not be understood as capable of patronizing infidelity to existing engagements. I hold the maxim no less applicable to public than to private affairs, that honesty is always the best policy. I repeat it, therefore, let those engagements be observed in their genuine sense. But, in my opinion, it is unnecessary and would be unwise to extend them.

    Taking care always to keep ourselves by suitable establishments on a respectable defensive posture, we may safely trust to temporary alliances for extraordinary emergencies.

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    G-Dubs would shoot you himself, snacks.

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    we're only the USA because France decided to be our friend.

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    Another celeb "owns" Elon


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    Another celeb "owns" Elon

    Decent write-off although they depreciate horribly.

    How are Elon's new car sales going lately?

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    Decent write-off although they depreciate horribly.

    How are Elon's new car sales going lately?
    Up 3.91%

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    So flat YoY?


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    Another celeb "owns" Elon

    Where do you get these tweets from?

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    So likewise, a passionate attachment of one nation for another produces a variety of evils. Sympathy for the favorite nation, facilitating the illusion of an imaginary common interest in cases where no real common interest exists, and infusing into one the enmities of the other, betrays the former into a participation in the quarrels and wars of the latter without adequate inducement or justification. It leads also to concessions to the favorite nation of privileges denied to others which is apt doubly to injure the nation making the concessions; by unnecessarily parting with what ought to have been retained, and by exciting jealousy, ill-will, and a disposition to retaliate, in the parties from whom equal privileges are withheld. And it gives to ambitious, corrupted, or deluded citizens (who devote themselves to the favorite nation), facility to betray or sacrifice the interests of their own country, without odium, sometimes even with popularity; gilding, with the appearances of a virtuous sense of obligation, a commendable deference for public opinion, or a laudable zeal for public good, the base or foolish compliances of ambition, corruption, or infatuation.

    As avenues to foreign influence in innumerable ways, such attachments are particularly alarming to the truly enlightened and independent patriot. How many opportunities do they afford to tamper with domestic factions, to practice the arts of seduction, to mislead public opinion, to influence or awe the public councils. Such an attachment of a small or weak towards a great and powerful nation dooms the former to be the satellite of the latter.

    Against the insidious wiles of foreign influence (I conjure you to believe me, fellow-citizens) the jealousy of a free people ought to be constantly awake, since history and experience prove that foreign influence is one of the most baneful foes of republican government. But that jealousy to be useful must be impartial; else it becomes the instrument of the very influence to be avoided, instead of a defense against it. Excessive partiality for one foreign nation and excessive dislike of another cause those whom they actuate to see danger only on one side, and serve to veil and even second the arts of influence on the other. Real patriots who may resist the intrigues of the favorite are liable to become suspected and odious, while its tools and dupes usurp the applause and confidence of the people, to surrender their interests.

    The great rule of conduct for us in regard to foreign nations is in extending our commercial relations, to have with them as little political connection as possible. So far as we have already formed engagements, let them be fulfilled with perfect good faith. Here let us stop. Europe has a set of primary interests which to us have none; or a very remote relation. Hence she must be engaged in frequent controversies, the causes of which are essentially foreign to our concerns. Hence, therefore, it must be unwise in us to implicate ourselves by artificial ties in the ordinary vicissitudes of her politics, or the ordinary combinations and collisions of her friendships or enmities.

    Our detached and distant situation invites and enables us to pursue a different course. If we remain one people under an efficient government. the period is not far off when we may defy material injury from external annoyance; when we may take such an at ude as will cause the neutrality we may at any time resolve upon to be scrupulously respected; when belligerent nations, under the impossibility of making acquisitions upon us, will not lightly hazard the giving us provocation; when we may choose peace or war, as our interest, guided by justice, shall counsel.

    Why forego the advantages of so peculiar a situation? Why quit our own to stand upon foreign ground? Why, by interweaving our destiny with that of any part of Europe, entangle our peace and prosperity in the toils of European ambition, rivalship, interest, humor or caprice?

    It is our true policy to steer clear of permanent alliances with any portion of the foreign world; so far, I mean, as we are now at liberty to do it; for let me not be understood as capable of patronizing infidelity to existing engagements. I hold the maxim no less applicable to public than to private affairs, that honesty is always the best policy. I repeat it, therefore, let those engagements be observed in their genuine sense. But, in my opinion, it is unnecessary and would be unwise to extend them.

    Taking care always to keep ourselves by suitable establishments on a respectable defensive posture, we may safely trust to temporary alliances for extraordinary emergencies.
    Great, explain Trump's passionate attachment to Israel.

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