Reply With Quote
Interesting poll. To me Tony to Timmy. These two are about to switch back and forth for accolades in the name of winning. Let’s keep them happy.
Coaching issue...wemby is still just 21...he came into the league with an alpha mentality, but got coached down to a roleplayer's mentality because the ball doesn't go through him...it simply ends up in his hand when a teammate determines it should instead of him being the actual focal point...even rookie Duncan got touches almost every possession down the court...he didn't shoot it everytime, obviously...but he would touch the ball...there's countless times Wemby would just be doing cardio...running up and down the floor without the ball going his way...and even more times when he doesn't get to attempt a shot for an entire stint on the court
Interesting poll. To me Tony to Timmy. These two are about to switch back and forth for accolades in the name of winning. Let’s keep them happy.
I mean, who else would it be?
What are we going to have to pay Fox to renew him. Does doing it sooner save money? Can we front load him any?
Fox seems more like a #3 (Tony Parker) both by the same position he plays and within the overall hierarchy.
Duncan/Wemby would be #1.
TP and Fox look like #3.
We're still looking for our #2 (i.e., Manu -- the #2 in status who is also a wing).
We'll hopefully get that guy within the next year.
I am not sure if big 3 formula is still the meta. I would prefer Wemby, Fox and bunch of decent player for solid 8-9 rotation, rather than big 3 and scrubs
Just curious, what made Manu a #2 and Tony a #3? Tony had a higher ppg average than Manu in all but 2 of the 16 seasons they played together, and took more shots. When talking about #2 option, we're usually talking about scoring.
I think Tony and Manu were about as close to "co-#2's" as imaginable, honestly, but I'm not sure how one would come to the conclusion that Tony was a #3.
I know Pippen has somewhat tainted his legacy with recent revelations but that guy was so good and acknowledged (at the time), as a top 50 player.
I don't think Fox is on that level but think he's a terrific player all the same.
I agree with this. I think it's helpful that Fox will only be on a regular 30% max as Wemby hits his rookie SuperMax (30%). When Wemby gets to his second vet SuperMax extension (35%) I think it will be important for that second max slot to be a regular Vet Max or (ideally) a rookie max (25%). Fill out the rest of the roster with a couple of guys on Devin-like deals, a couple of Barnes-level deals, and then sub-MLE deals. Teams will be massively benefited by having a pipeline of productive rookie deals flowing through the system as well. You also get the benefit of those guys on rookie deals not really having an opportunity to prove themselves worthy of a rookie max, so you can keep them on bargain deals when they extend. I'm thinking someone like Cason Wallace. In another cir stance, he might be able to earn a rookie max extension, but because he's on OKC he's much more likely on a path to a Keldon or Devin level extension.
I agree with that you've said, but in the case of Manu and Tony, I'd rate Manu number 2 due to his closing ability. In his prime, he was the guy that had the ball in his hands more often in the biggest moments to either score or make a play, so I'd say that is why people consider him number 2.
I don't know exactly how De'Aaron compares to Tony in that regard (without watching him much, I am guessing De'Aaron is a better closer going by the clutch player stats or whatever it's called that the NBA has had the past few years), so I do think De'Aaron can be the number 2. If what I said about Manu made him the number 2, I'd say that De'Aaron is closer to that than Tony, but this is going off of regular season. Doing it in the playoffs is what matters more IMO as Manu was that guy in the playoffs. With this clutch player thing the NBA has, an example is Demar rates near the top, but in the playoffs, I'd say he's nowhere near a number 1 or 2 option/closer on a Championship team.
- We lived or died by Manu during the prime big 3 years. We lived or died by Tony I think only from 2012-2013, a short period tbh.
- Manu was generally more loved by everyone so there's a bit rose-colored nostalgia glasses there.
- A lot of people thought and still think that Manu should have won the 2005 Finals MVP. Whereas Parker won the FMVP in the easy 2007 finals.
These are my theories. I also had Manu over TP growing up. But yah looking back now, the stats say otherwise. It's one of those, "you'd have to have been there the entire time to understand" which I dont think non-Spurs fans or new-age Wemby wave spurs fans (obv not you) will understand IMO.
It's the "heart and soul" factor.
Rather intangible but real.
Yeah, I always avoided the whole Tony v Manu debate and always viewed them as both #2s behind Timmy. I'm interested by people take's now (not that there is a right or wrong, I'm just interested)
That does play a part, but during his prime, I remember Manu having the ball in his hands more in the biggest games/moments in crunch time. That is why I viewed his as the number 2. The stats might show different, but I'm just going off of the games and why I believe he was the number 2.
Tony was for a short time later on, though (just before Kawhi started breaking out).
I feel This thread will turn into manure vs enrique porker all over again lmao
Good ol times tbh
Good ol times tbh
Would be good if the can be Khris Middleton to Giannis. And I think he’s as good if not better.
You're a bonafide dummy aren't you
I've always hated this comparison when the subject comes up about number twos and number ones. If we're being honest, Pippen was actually a number one...maybe just not a generational one. He wasn't as good as Duncan. He wasn't as good as LeBron. He wasn't as good as Jordan or Kobe. But was he as good his Wade? Was he as good as Steve Nash? Are those two players number ones? Pippen played next to Jordan. That's all that needs to be said.
Fox is a great player...but he is solidly a number two. Jordan and Pippen is more like Wade and LeBron together. The better comparison is to ask if Fox is Tony Parker and Wemby is Tim Duncan. If we are talking about tiers of players on the same team, that's the better comparison.
I see him as the third best player on a championship team.
Timmy was always the anchor and let Tony and Kawhi shine in the Finals and even made both FMVP’s possible. Wemby will be the same and he will learn to be patient sometimes to let others shine, while getting his own. Ginobili was very much unselfish guy, the very definition of the best teammate even agreeing to come from the bench for the team. Was he not the “Pippen” just because he stayed longer in the shadow?
I think everybody would say Fox is the “Pippen” to Wemby. Fox will definitely score bunches much like TP did under Timmy’s wings. But Manu was doing the unbelievable passes, diving for the ball, taking the charges. I think Castle will have the same impact as Manu did, hassling for the ball, defending the POA, making the ridiculous passes. And as much as it’s hard for me to pick Timmy’s “Pippen” between TP and Manu, it would be the same for me between Fox and Castle when all is said and done. I’ll simply resort to the next Big 3. All they need is a Nesterovic, a Tiago and not necessarily a number 2.
Last edited by John B; 02-07-2025 at 02:49 AM.
Manu was just simply the better all-around player of the two and we Spurs fans know better than just go by stats when rating Manu. Any casual would look at those 13 ppg that Manu averaged and say "that's it? Man, this guy is overrated as " when he might actually be the most underrated ever.
wemby should not allow the spurs to brainwash him to be like timmy. Especially the unselfishness. Because if he does he will never win an MVP
There are currently 1 users browsing this thread. (0 members and 1 guests)
Posting Permissions
