I hate to admit it but...

[my2sons]

ain't nothing like a moral victory....so are the wolve going to win their conference with a .500 record. Tim makes teamates better, no flash no crash just pure substance over style. KG is the most impressive LOSER in the nba today.

[easjer]

I'm just shaking my head over this whole thing.

Head to head? The matchup has proven fairly equal. The team support has not. Duncan's individual acheivements outrank Garnett's. Okay.

What amazes me, though, is how much for granted people take Tim Duncan. Horry bailed him out in Game 5? Really? Okay. Nevermind Horry's horrendous game until the fourth or Duncan's superb game through the first three quarters, or the injuries to both ankles. Don't get me wrong, I'm glad Horry made the shots he did but if he'd made them earlier Duncan's substandard play in one quarter would not have mattered.

Duncan relies on his teammates too much? Well, guess what? It's a team sport! You should be able to rely on your team! If it were merely a one on one game (in spite of how it's billed) then this thread might be relevant to something. How DARE Timmy let other good players on his team play well! He should DEMAND the ball and try to score on every posession. Maybe then pointless and stupid threads like this from bandwagon fans who backpeddle their positions after a ing win would cease to exist.

[pache100]

Here's a link if you want to read up on plantar fasciitis:

http://healthlink.mcw.edu/article/987116429.html

[smeagol]

For the imbecile SpursFans that love to critizice TD when he has an off game, why don't you ask sickdsm if he would trade KG for TD and the three les we won.

Actually, now that I think about it, that's what you morons deserve. A trade where we give the wolves three les and TD and we get "superstar", "nobody plays better than me", "I never pad my stats", "I'm a great guy and have never punched a team mate in practice simply because he punked me", KG

[tekdragon]

Last night Garnett put up Hall of Famer numbers to Duncan's NBDL numbers.

Sup?

Last night Garnett put up an L to Duncan's W.

Sup?

[Oh, Gee!!]

Smeagol, you take this board way too seriously. You'll give yourself a tumor worrying about what others think about the Spurs.

[smeagol]

Smeagol, you take this board way too seriously. You'll give yourself a tumor worrying about what others think about the Spurs.

Thanks for worrying about me, but I'm fine. Sometimes I read and I get ticked off.

[sickdsm]

I have it. My Mom has it. My Grandmother had it and her father, my Great-Grandfather had it. My brother has it and my sister may have it; I have two cousins that have it. They say it "probably" isn't hereditary, but????

We all have different degrees (of pain). Good shoes help; there are appliances you can put in the heel of your shoes that help (Mom used one of these for awhile). Lots of things help. They have treatments for it today that seem like miracles. I don't know anyone personally who has had the surgery, but I've been told that if it gets bad enough to get to that point, your life is never the same. So far, I've been lucky enough to be able to live with it.

Ummm, no. Try again. Wally was out most of the year two years ago because of this. I think that was the same year Marko Jaric was out. Its not just a bone spur.

"Sometimes plantar fasciitis is called "heel spurs", but this is not always accurate, since bony growths on the heel may or may not be a factor"

If your already straining it, its dumb to push it. Thats how Flip hurt Wally but pushing him in preseason when it was strained. Its one of the most painful injuries you can have when/if it goes and the most frustrating because you THINK you can play through it until its rips. Kinda like Suns fans discrediting the major, major surgery Amare had.


Player News
Sonics guard Rick Brunson is expected to be sidelined at least two months because of a foot injury. Brunson, bothered by plantar fasciitis all season, tore the fascia in his left foot during practice Monday. He said he was making a move during a one-on-on drill and heard something in his foot pop.
(Updated 11/29/2005).
Injury Report
Foot - I-L. Out until at least late January
(Updated - 11/29/05)
Fantasy Analysis
"I tried to come back and see how I felt with some type of pain. When I tore it that was it," Brunson, wearing a protective boot and using a crutch, said Tuesday. "I've never had to sit out a long period of time. It's frustrating because I wanted to bring something to this team." If for some reason you owned Brunson in a Fantasy league, it's safe to drop him.
(Updated 11/29/2005).

This is actually pretty common on how it tears. Guys think they should just play through it.


ORLANDO MAGIC - *Center Kelvin Cato (ankle) is doubtful for Friday's game against Dallas. Guard Keyon Dooling (plantar fasciitis) is sidelined indefinitely.

[sickdsm]

For the imbecile SpursFans that love to critizice TD when he has an off game, why don't you ask sickdsm if he would trade KG for TD and the three les we won.

Actually, now that I think about it, that's what you morons deserve. A trade where we give the wolves three les and TD and we get "superstar", "nobody plays better than me", "I never pad my stats", "I'm a great guy and have never punched a team mate in practice simply because he punked me", KG

LOL, tim doesn't win any les in MN. I think it would be a trade that would make both teams better bc like ive said many times before, KG is a slightly better all round except duncan is a better scorer. The wolves don't have enough scoring, when they did, they would have won it had it not been for an injury. KG is more of a team scorer. The examples of AK and Zach Randolph are exaggerated but it gets to the point i'm trying to make. Your team defense improves, your team offense improves and realistically you should expect three all stars from your team every year. KG can average over 20 ppg in his sleep, all from plays not designed for him but he will get your entire team involved.

Your really blind if you still think KG pads his stats. Look at the game last night, your entire team got punked whenever KG was in the game. He leaves and the lead evaporates. 10 pt leads become deficets pretty fast even late in the game. Its something you don't think about bc your coaching staff does such a great job from player 1 to player 12.

[Josh810]

Garnett > Duncan

Spurs > T Wolves

You seem to just say re ed stuff like that to get people riled up.

[pache100]

Ummm, no. Try again.

Well, Dr sickdsm, of course I bow to your superior knowledge and intelligence. Please don't pay any attention to someone who has been dealing with the problem for about 20 years and has lived in a family who has been dealing with the problem for 50+ years. God knows we don't have anything to contribute to a conversation about heel spurs.

I think you would be amazed to know how many professional, college, and even high school athletes have plantar fasciitis and play/practice/deal with it every day of their lives. People just do not stop living (or playing or working or anything) because they have it. For example, did you know Kobe Bryant has it? He was diagnosed over a year ago. Brian Grant has it. Keith Van Horn has it.

I'm sure there are tons of others, too, but those are the ones I remember reading about when I was researching the condition a few months ago when they told my sister she may have it.

[SpursWoman]

I don't know anyone personally who has had the surgery, but I've been told that if it gets bad enough to get to that point, your life is never the same.

My mom had it bad enough for surgery...where they open up the foot and basically grind/file it off....

[TDfan2007]

Tim and Kevin have played eachother to a standstill during their careers. However Tim's teams win more because not only is Tim's supporting cast slightly better but Tim sets his teammates up to shine because of the constant double and triple teams he faces. Very rarely do you see Tim attack a double team, most of the time he finds the open man for an easy shot or kicks it out to another player who then finds the open man.

BTW, rebounds aside, Tim took 15 shots and Kevin took 19 because Tim was faced with constant double and triple teams leading to easy buckets for his teammates which in turn gave them confidence which in turn allowed them to shine down the stretch.

One game means nothing in a head to head matchup. Look at how they've matched up against each other during previous years. Look at the playoffs. Remember game 1 of the first round in the 2001 playoffs?

But if you want to say who's better based on one game here's a game where Tim thoughrowly dominated KG during KG's MVP season:

Tim Duncan F 45 14-26 0-1 8-15 11 9 20 7 1 1 1 1 36 (36 pts 20 rbs 7ast)

Kevin Garnett F 36 9-19 0-0 4-5 2 8 10 3 5 1 2 3 22 (22 pts 10 rbs 3 ast)

Tim outplayed Kevin in that game more so than Kevin outplayed Tim last night.

Bottom line, I would Take Tim over KG even with his injury.

[pache100]

My mom had it bad enough for surgery...where they open up the foot and basically grind/file it off....

That's exactly why I decided to avoid the surgery if at all possible. I also have bursitis in my shoulders, and the treatment is about the same (they rotate your shoulder and grind off the calcium deposits ). I told the doctors I would do something about it when it became debilitating to me and I couldn't stand it any more.

[E20]

Td > Kg

[Dre_7]

Player News
Sonics guard Rick Brunson is expected to be sidelined at least two months because of a foot injury. Brunson, bothered by plantar fasciitis all season, tore the fascia in his left foot during practice Monday. He said he was making a move during a one-on-on drill and heard something in his foot pop.

I had Plantear Fascitis (how the do you spell it?!?!) as a Soph in highschool. I thought I would be fine. During a game we were on a fast break and we turned it over, I turned to get back on D, and POP! I heard it pop and took one step and ended up on the ground. Very painful. I was out for a while. It is scary. Hope nothing happens to Tim!

[my2sons]

LOL, tim doesn't win any les in MN. I think it would be a trade that would make both teams better bc like ive said many times before, KG is a slightly better all round except duncan is a better scorer. The wolves don't have enough scoring, when they did, they would have won it had it not been for an injury. KG is more of a team scorer. The examples of AK and Zach Randolph are exaggerated but it gets to the point i'm trying to make. Your team defense improves, your team offense improves and realistically you should expect three all stars from your team every year. KG can average over 20 ppg in his sleep, all from plays not designed for him but he will get your entire team involved.

Your really blind if you still think KG pads his stats. Look at the game last night, your entire team got punked whenever KG was in the game. He leaves and the lead evaporates. 10 pt leads become deficets pretty fast even late in the game. Its something you don't think about bc your coaching staff does such a great job from player 1 to player 12.

Wow, then again, some coaches let players get theirs and guard all others. the spurs had this game in hand, but missed free throws and a few missed assignments that allowed the t-pups back in the game. its not always as it appears, and the spurs continue to win, kg continues to CHOKE away tight games and t dunc gets to listen to whiney little chants by people who can say nothing else negative about a team thats only lost 4 games. With all the support that timmy has, how many games would this team realistically win without him. the supporting cast that is assembled is assembled to compliment the two time mvp. blame kevin mchale and kg's fat contract for his lack of support.

[sprrs]

Last night Garnett put up Hall of Famer numbers to Duncan's NBDL numbers.

Sup?

I guess we should trade Duncan for some scrub then

I'll go call Pop

[sprrs]

LOL, tim doesn't win any les in MN.

Tim does get last year's Wolves to the playoffs though

[Useruser666]

KG doesn't get doubled like Tim because he plays outside in. Tim gets doubled all the time because he plays inside out.

[yeahone]

Everything the KG fans say is right. KG IS better than TD. TD just wins more because of TP and Manu and the rest of the help.

It's a sad truth.

haha

[GO SPurs Go]

Wow guys, you say we should trade Duncan (Two Time MVP Three Time Finals MVP, leading scorer for past 5 seasons, and a bunch of other great ) for Garnett just because he outplayed him...... We're already above the Salary Cap and yes..... Garnett earns mor than Duncan (kind of sad isnt it). So stop abandoning your players every time they screw up........

[ChumpDumper]

The author of this thread spent all of last summer calling Duncan a sissy and giving up on the Spurs two more times than TPark did.

[zocool16]

i think whoever posted this is just a re . duncan is the better player. kg might more skilled but duncan's got things that someone with a low basketball iq wouldnt notice. tsk tsk disappointing to see people saying stuff only cuz of 1 game

[sickdsm]

Well, Dr sickdsm, of course I bow to your superior knowledge and intelligence. Please don't pay any attention to someone who has been dealing with the problem for about 20 years and has lived in a family who has been dealing with the problem for 50+ years. God knows we don't have anything to contribute to a conversation about heel spurs.

I think you would be amazed to know how many professional, college, and even high school athletes have plantar fasciitis and play/practice/deal with it every day of their lives. People just do not stop living (or playing or working or anything) because they have it. For example, did you know Kobe Bryant has it? He was diagnosed over a year ago. Brian Grant has it. Keith Van Horn has it.

I'm sure there are tons of others, too, but those are the ones I remember reading about when I was researching the condition a few months ago when they told my sister she may have it.

First its this:

" Please don't pay any attention to someone who has been dealing with the problem for about 20 years and has lived in a family who has been dealing with the problem for 50+ years."


Same breath its this:

"those are the ones I remember reading about when I was researching the condition a few months ago when they told my sister she may have it"

Why would you have to research it when you've been dealing with it for 20 years and your family (which by my research last month includes you AND your sister) for 50? Apparently your either not much of an expert or you forgot all the knowledge you had, either way your not making any sense.

Plantar fasciitis and plantar fascia aren't the same thing. Plantar Fasciitis you CAN play on but its a dumb decision to bc theres a very big chance of it tearing. You appear to be talking about your bone spurs on your foot. Read another exerpt from that site:

Why does running cause plantar fasciitis so easily?! Plantar fasciitis (more on: plantar fasciitis) is epecially prone to develop in athletes as a result of extensive running and exercise. Plantar fasciitis occurs when the long, flat ligament on the bottom of the foot (Plantar Fascia) stretches irregularly and develops small tears that cause the ligament to become inflamed


I'll laugh at you, not timmy though, but i'll LMAO at YOU if Duncan does snap it, done for the year, and you've wasted a what i still think appears to be a sure le shot.

, at least when David got hurt they had a lottery pick the year after.