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    Senate rejects reauthorization of Patriot Act

    WASHINGTON (AP) -- The Senate on Friday rejected attempts to reauthorize several provisions of the USA Patriot Act as infringing too much on Americans' privacy and liberty, dealing a huge defeat to the Bush administration and Republican leaders.

    In a crucial vote early Friday, the bill's Senate supporters were not able to get the 60 votes needed to overcome a threatened filibuster by Sens. Russ Feingold, D-Wisconsin, and Larry Craig, R-Idaho, and their allies. The final vote was 52-47.

    President Bush, Attorney General Alberto Gonzales and Republicans congressional leaders had lobbied fiercely to make most of the expiring Patriot Act provisions permanent, and add new safeguards and expiration dates to the two most controversial parts: roving wiretaps and secret warrants for books, records and other items from businesses, hospitals and organizations such as libraries.

    Feingold, Craig and other critics said that wasn't enough, and have called for the law to be extended in its present form so they can continue to try and add more civil liberties safeguards. But Bush, Senate Majority Leader Bill Frist and House Speaker Dennis Hastert have said they won't accept a short-term extension of the law.

    If a compromise is not reached, the 16 Patriot Act provisions expire on December 31. (Read the provisions that could expire)

    ~~I'm all for fighting terrorism but civil liberties must be protected.

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    It's about freakin' time.

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    Not to sound dumb here but that movie The Siege really does have a good quote. Denzel Washingtons character says that what they really want is for us to heard people into stadiums, shred the cons ution just a little bit.

    I figure the same thing is happening here.

    Not to mention that my sig is perfect for a situation here.

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    I can live with it JoeChalupa's Avatar
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    And this is not a "liberal un-patriotic" filibuster.

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    And this is not a "liberal un-patriotic" filibuster.
    No it all about stupidity. How many attacks have we had in this country?
    Or does common sense allude you?

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    No it all about stupidity. How many attacks have we had in this country?
    Or does common sense allude you?
    You are right, I was tired of daily terrorists attacks here in the US. Damn, it wasn't safe to even go out at night. Now, thanks to the Patriot Act, I can sleep at night.

    Well, I'm glad some in congress have common sense.

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    You are right, I was tired of daily terrorists attacks here in the US. Damn, it wasn't safe to even go out at night. Now, thanks to the Patriot Act, I can sleep at night.

    Well, I'm glad some in congress have common sense.
    You wont have to worry about it after December 31st, Joe. Rest in Peace.
    I hope I am wrong, about the RIP.

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    You wont have to worry about it after December 31st, Joe. Rest in Peace.
    I hope I am wrong, about the RIP.

    What do you know Xray? You have to tell the authorities what you know. You know the NSA can pull an IP check on you and have all of the 3-letter agencies at your front door in minutes. Spill it, Xray.

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    No it all about stupidity. How many attacks have we had in this country?
    Or does common sense allude you?

    That argument is weaker than the Democrat congressmen's spines.

    If we don't have an attack, you use it as justification for the measures we've taken. If we do have an attack, you'll use it as justification for more extreme measures than what we've taken.

    I swear, Bush could write a book called "My Struggle", and you would read it and love it, and worship by it.

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    What do you know Xray? You have to tell the authorities what you know. You know the NSA can pull an IP check on you and have all of the 3-letter agencies at your front door in minutes. Spill it, Xray.
    Well, if we restrict the intel agencies from gathering intel, then you better
    duck, my red faced foe. I am quite sure NSA, FBI and many other federal
    agencies have a file on me, and know where to contact me. Want to give
    me your address?

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    You wont have to worry about it after December 31st, Joe. Rest in Peace.
    I hope I am wrong, about the RIP.
    What's gonna happen? Is this that millenium crap again? I better buy water and a flashlight.

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    What's gonna happen? Is this that millenium crap again? I better buy water and a flashlight.
    Don't forget the duct tape.

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    What's gonna happen? Is this that millenium crap again? I better buy water and a flashlight.

    No, no crap. But you have to know your enemy. And you really cant
    unless you can read their mail. I don't know what will happen, but I
    do know what has happened in the past. Or is your memory that short.

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    No, no crap. But you have to know your enemy. And you really cant
    unless you can read their mail. I don't know what will happen, but I
    do know what has happened in the past. Or is your memory that short.
    Is Bush gonna bomb the wrong country again? So what else is new?

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    Don't forget the duct tape.
    Oh snap, thanks Phil.

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    I can guarantee that there will be another terrorists attack on US soil and all the intelligence snooping the Patriot Act excuses will NOT deter the terrorists.

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    Is Bush gonna bomb the wrong country again? So what else is new?
    Oh, I don't know. You mean like an aspirin factory when someone is
    talking about your sex life? You are our enemies best friend. I know
    you support our troops, but just don't like our President. What a bunch
    of crap.

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    Hey, I said I wanna support Bush. Just lend me some of those rose colored glasses, so i can see this war the way u do.
    Last edited by SA210; 12-16-2005 at 04:57 PM.

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    Hey, I said I wanna support Bush. Just lend me some of those rose clored glasses, so i can see this war the way u do.
    It's called good old American patriotism. Bush is commander-in-chief.
    He leads the country. We are at war. We were when Clinton was
    President, only no one knew it, except his administration. Yes, we may,
    and I emphasize MAY, have had some faulty intel, but it wasn't Bush's
    fault, he took over from Clinton. He also relied on other countries intel.
    Our Congress supported him through their resolution. The UN supported
    him in their Intel. For goodness sakes, any one who reads the news
    and listens to newscast on the run-up to the Iraq invasion to know what
    was going on. How come Saddam wouldn't let anyone in to inspect the
    places. Wanted to play gotcha, I don't think so.

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    It's called good old American patriotism. Bush is commander-in-chief.
    He leads the country. We are at war. .
    He lead our country into war. His war.

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    It's called good old American patriotism. Bush is commander-in-chief.
    He leads the country. We are at war. We were when Clinton was
    President, only no one knew it, except his administration. Yes, we may,
    and I emphasize MAY, have had some faulty intel, but it wasn't Bush's
    fault, he took over from Clinton. He also relied on other countries intel.
    Our Congress supported him through their resolution. The UN supported
    him in their Intel. For goodness sakes, any one who reads the news
    and listens to newscast on the run-up to the Iraq invasion to know what
    was going on. How come Saddam wouldn't let anyone in to inspect the
    places. Wanted to play gotcha, I don't think so.
    HAHAHAHAAA!

    Blame it on Clinton...thats so unlike a Conservative to do that.

    When was W elected? O...6 years ago.

    Whoooooops!

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    He lead our country into war. His war.
    Same old crap you always spew. It is OUR war dummy. Your hate for
    our country and President always shows. If it were Clinton's war, you
    would be all for it. Damn, why I try and converse with you is beyond
    me. I am really upset with your continual denial of the facts.

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    Same old crap you always spew. It is OUR war dummy. Your hate for
    our country and President always shows. If it were Clinton's war, you
    would be all for it. Damn, why I try and converse with you is beyond
    me. I am really upset with your continual denial of the facts.
    actually, I'm not much for anyone's war, so don't bring up Clinton, (get over the blow job already)

    Yes, I really hate my country

    This is the same old crap that u conservatives spew for lack of acceptance of accountability. Once and for all, show me in any of my posts that suggest that I hate America. You can't. I see deficiencies in our government and question them, because i'm interested in the best country that we can put forth.

    That's exactly why I say u spin everything, because that's what u just did again. Calling Bush what he is "a Liar" doesn't mean i hate my country and doesn't mean i'm against our troops.

    Unless that's what it meant back when yall were calling Clinton a liar. If yall were traitors for that, then u can call me one. But since isn't gonna freeze over on that, get real.

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    Same old crap you always spew. It is OUR war dummy. Your hate for
    our country and President always shows. If it were Clinton's war, you
    would be all for it. Damn, why I try and converse with you is beyond
    me. I am really upset with your continual denial of the facts.
    I get really upset with that "hate your country" crap conservatives spew everytime somebody speaks out. It is our DUTY to speak out against the government when we disagree that is why freedom of speech is so freakin' important!!
    That just bites me ass so much it makes my cuticles hurt!!!

    I love my Country and served proudly and I'll be damned if I will allow anyone to question my patriotism and I'll also be damned if somebody thinks I'm going to blindly follow or President. Damn right I respect our Commander in Chief but it doesn't mean I have to worship every word that comes out of his pie hole!

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    Joe, how dare u use facts. Don't u know the country is at war? Some would say your against our precious troops for practicing your 1st ammenndment rights.

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