I mean the Argentinians.I consider myself one of the leaders of the Manu delegation
You know what spunky little folks they are.
Why dont you get your mouth off of Peter Holt's nuts and wrap your mind around the Spurs are cheap [marcus]I find it quite amusing that some people can't wrap their little minds around the difference between a legitimate All-Star talent and some scrub 14th and 15th men to go hang out with the Toros at the expense of the Spurs.
Who really believes that Barry (a backup guard who hasn't quite 'adjusted' to that role and is on downside of career) and Oberto (a NBA rookie who hasn't shown much so far) are anywhere near 'equal value' for Artest?
The guy, whatever his craziness, is a legitimate starter for most clubs. I don't think Indiana will trade him for anything less than a valuable player.
WildBill
Indiana thinks Oberto is fantastic, and LOVES Brent Barry.
If they are that dumb, then make the damn trade!!!!
Again, the issue has never been whether that player would win a championship, but whether or not Holt Cat is starting to limit management. Surely even a basketball genius such as yourself could figure that out.
The Spurs would be ed more if they brought in Artest. Team chemistry is king at this point in SA. Look at what has happened to Indiana over this season and the last. Why can we expect it to change? It's foolish to think that Artest would suddenly become sane if he came to SA. Lest we forget the financial impact of having a useless mental patient on the payroll for the next 3 seasons or whatever, since that's so important for some here.You don't seem capable of understanding the fact that if we get down to having to use scrubs like Sanders for anything other than deep garbage time we're ed anyway.
I'd love Artest on the Spurs..... in NBA Live.
Realistically, I'd be very, very wary.
Contrary to some posts, the only person Artest respects is HIMSELF. This guy has an ego problem that drives him.
Sure, he'll say all the right things when it's necessary--he did it in Indiana when he started the year with mea culpas about how he was reformed, etc--but when crunch time comes, Artest's ego emerges and he wants to be the go-to guy. He can't help himself because that's who he is.
He's like Lucy telling Charlie Brown she won't pull the football away this time--really.
Tpark and AHF;
If Astest is all you say he is (the 2nd best player behind TD), would blend in no time and will help the Spurs get a ring, lets do a straight trade for Manu. I'm sure SpursFans everywhere would love that trade.
Why when Indiana wants Oberto and Barry would you trade Ginobili?lets do a straight trade for Manu. I'm sure SpursFans everywhere would love that trade.
And why would "spursfans" love that?
Artest is a great player, no question about that. But his accomplishments are?
Last year he got suspended (we all now the story). The year before, didn't he do a dumb thing in the playoffs which vistually eliminated Indiana?
He is a great player, but too unstable.
So TPark. You say Artest can stay healthy (implying Manu does not, even though Manu helped you celebrate a third le - the one you quit on the team, remember?) but you conviniently forget the stuff he has done in the past (screwing Indiana twice).
Pretty dumb take, if you ask me.
Last edited by smeagol; 12-17-2005 at 01:51 PM.
Acknowledge the point. You think Artest is better than Manu, then you should be happy with a "Artest for Manu" trade.
By the way, you are smoking funny weed if you think Oberto and Barry are all Indiana wants in exchange for Ron Ron. No matter how much they "love" them.
Again, how is Holt limiting management by not wanting to have some Toros fodder on his payroll?Again, the issue has never been whether that player would win a championship, but whether or not Holt Cat is starting to limit management. Surely even a basketball genius such as yourself could figure that out.
Because he goes from a team full of thugs (JO, Buckets) to a family environment like the Spurs.Look at what has happened to Indiana over this season and the last. Why can we expect it to change?
I think the Spurs franchise has proven under the Pop/Duncan regime they can handle one "crazy" guy on the squad. If he goes whacko you send him down to the Toros and say it, it didn't work out.
The upside to this deal, however, is enormous.
You work in their FO? How do you know this? And even if they like these Spurs, does that mean they'd trade Artest for them?
Nice straw man's argument.If Astest is all you say he is (the 2nd best player behind TD), would blend in no time and will help the Spurs get a ring, lets do a straight trade for Manu.
Why would we have to trade Manu if they will take spare parts for Artest? Why pick one when we could have both? Weak take.
I'm having a tough time believing Walsh couldn't do better than Barry/Oberto.
the problem with the pacers
is tinsley,oneal, jackson and ron are on the same team and have a high strung personally each
larry bird has said publically so and not sure if they could keep them all
Wait. Indy really wants to make this trade? How true are these rumors? You are sounding like its almost a done deal! Please tell me its not!
I've said already, I think it will be (if we do it) Nazr + Barry + whatever else to top it off (be it Beno, Oberto, other).I'm having a tough time believing Walsh couldn't do better than Barry/Oberto.
I think it's risen to Rumor Alert Level "Modesto"....How true are these rumors?
I have a tough time thinking Walsh can't do better than Nazr + Barry + whatever else to top it off, then.
I've heard a rumor that the NBA wants to see what happens if a team got all the best players. The GMs have agreed to make the following trades:
Shaq for Rasho
Brand for NAZR
Artest for BARRY/Scola draft rights
Keving Garnett for Horry.
Ray Allen for Nick Van Exel
More are in the works.
~creeming myself~~~~~~~
I'll take Redd over Vagina though.
Last edited by Despot; 12-17-2005 at 12:44 PM.
I love how argentinians take this too seriously.
There is no question Artest would be an incredible player to obtain, especially with the basketball philosophy Pop subscribes to.
But he is a huge risk. I wouldn't believe anything that came out of his mouth because I don't think he really knows how he will react to a certain situation until it actually happens.
I have read some people comparing Artest to Rodman or Artest to T.O. I don't think those are accurate comparisons.
Rodman misbehaved because he was trying to promote himself for off the court business ventures. He wanted to be known as a bad boy to stimulate a film career along with anything else he could capitalize on. I don't think Rodman was unstable. He knew what he was doing. He was living an image he created for himself.
T.O. is the epitome of an egomaniac. But I don't think T.O. is unstable either. His actions and words are calculated. He does what he does, in part for self promotion, but also to satisfy his huge ego for attention. He wants to be loved. I think that is why he does what he does.
Artest is more like Mike Tyson. I don't think he's as crazy as Tyson. But one thing the two have in common is that both are very unstable. You don't know what your going to get until it happens. That is what scares me about Artest. He could say all the right things and do all the right things, but do we really know how he will react if someone else throws a beer at him again?
If the Spurs could pick him up cheap(Barry/Oberto/Beno), I say do it. But if you are giving up Nazr, no way.
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