I thought you didn't post here anymore.What do ya think?
But saying we should keep Barry over Parker says it all.
How is Barry, Beno and Oberto = Artest?
You yourself have said Barry is worth a hotdog and soda for over a year now. You've critiziced Beno and you are on the record saying Oberto can't jump.
All of a sudenm, they are = to Artest.
Are people in the Pacers organization stupid?
There is more than just NDBL fodder out there.
The downside is $30 mil over 4 years. That's fairly "enormous".Because he goes from a team full of thugs (JO, Buckets) to a family environment like the Spurs.
I think the Spurs franchise has proven under the Pop/Duncan regime they can handle one "crazy" guy on the squad. If he goes whacko you send him down to the Toros and say it, it didn't work out.
The upside to this deal, however, is enormous.
The Spurs haven't had anyone lacking sanity like Artest before.
yes, i said in my post that barry was a better point guard then tony parker.I thought you didn't post here anymore.
But saying we should keep Barry over Parker says it all.
CD, you read what you want to read.
I'll spell it out good brother, Our San Antonio Spurs have a BETTER chance of winning multiple les with Artest in the lineup instead of Parker.
I'll say this also. Manu Ginobili IS a BETTER POINT GUARD THEN TONY PARKER...RIGHT NOW.
Big Zak, I thought you quit the loco weed. Have you not watched ANY Spurs games this year? Parker is a ing ALL STAR. He also doesn't need psychiatric medicines.
do you like seal exstatic?
ever heard the song
'and we're never gonna survive, unless, we get a little bit crazy'
i like that song.
Thankfully, it will never happen.
^kiss of death.
Reggie got Finley-ed by Indy this summer.
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I don't think he meant it literally, rather, that they needed to explore boundaries and think new ideas. I do like the song, though.do you like seal exstatic?
ever heard the song
'and we're never gonna survive, unless, we get a little bit crazy'
i like that song.
Artest is literally nuts. If you've read this thread through, you'll know that he has had psychiatric meds prescribed on more than one occasion, and just throws them away. This is not just an angry or misunderstood young man. He has problems, and refuses to face them or get treatment. That's three strikes right there, at least in my book.
Artest is like a battery. You know...like an Energizer or Duracell. One side is positive, the other negative. Polar opposites in one package.
He has rare physical presence, athleticism and focus.....but a volatile reagent in the chemistry mix. I'd have to say Dennis Rodman and Brian Bison Williams type of reagents. Wacksville, meet the next generation.
Rip owned Artest in the ECF in '04. Artest is now 30 pounds heavier. I would pay to see him keep up with Rip now. Especially in this new offense. He would foul out in 2 minutes trying to fight through those screens.
Remember Artest got so frustrated that he purposely close-lined him and got a Flagrant in the closing minutes of one of those games?
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True. That series is what sealed it for me that Bowen is a better defender than Artest. Artest got so frustrated with Rip that he got dirty. When Bruce gets frustrated because he's getting beat, he adjusts and gets better.
This post summed it all up for me.
It's like do or die. If we do it and it works, great, if it screws us up. OHhhhhh rodman this... rodman that... !
Parker's what... 23? 24? WGAF about age wearing speed down? Is Iverson a scrub now?Parker is 100% Speed. Age tends to wear that down
maybe that's why i like him then...
i'm just sticking up for my fellow bipolar crazy muthafukiin brutha...cuz i'm just like him...
the point is baseline, Parker's 'allstar scoring' dissappears in the big games in the playoffs. i'll say it again, until he proves otherwise? he's a regular season allstar and a finals flop. and i'm a parker fan. i support the man. but i support the Spurs more.
What about when he outplayed Kidd the first 3 games of the 2003 Finals?the point is baseline, Parker's 'allstar scoring' dissappears in the big games in the playoffs. i'll say it again, until he proves otherwise? he's a regular season allstar and a finals flop. and i'm a parker fan. i support the man. but i support the Spurs more.
outplayed?
they didn't play head to head.
parker has wheels of fire. no doubt.
when he takes it strong to the cup? makes the scoop or they layup, or the patented TP teardrop? i'm cheering very very loud.
and tonight? he was tearing up the assists. beautiful pass to finley on one bucket i saw.
if he keeps getting 10 and 10? AND he shows up in this years finals? I'll admit i was stupid to doubt him. til then? SHOW ME TP. PROVE ME WRONG.
you remember him outplaying kidd? i remember kerr beating the mavs in the clincher and speedy claxton getting the meaningful minutes when the game was on the line vs the nets.
what about when he had to have speedy claxton rescue him in the most crucial game of all. Game 6?
Parker is a good no doubt, and having the season of his career, but until he's playing like this long after the snow has melted in the northeast i'm still gonna have my doubts.
And speedy had to save his ass, the last 3
Tony Parker was in his second season in the league and was 20 years old.
How many 20 years old poing guard have won a tle as starter? I can only think of Magic Johnson.
You can't forget that he was also the second best scorer in that team and outplaying the best point guard in the league at the time in three of the six games is pretty good.
Pacers, Artest front and center in trade talks
Mike Kahn / FOXSports.com
It would be redundant to call the latest off-the-court issue revolving around Ron Artest a news flash.
And maybe it's just a coincidence that it happened Thursday, the first day that the players acquired over the summer via trade and free agency can be traded.
Nonetheless, it fits quite well. Just four days after Artest shot off his mouth about his inability to fit into the Indiana Pacers' offense and wanting to be traded, he was fined $10,000 by the NBA per an element in the new collective bargaining agreement forbidding such public commentary.
"Public trade demands by players was a subject discussed at length during collective bargaining negotiations this summer," said Rick Buchanan, NBA senior vice president and general counsel in a statement. "The damage caused by these kinds of statements was commonly understood, as was the NBA's intention to hold players accountable for such statements going forward."
Having said that, the trading post is officially open, and deals are expected to be made on several fronts. It is highly unusual to have players like Artest, Chicago's Tim Thomas and New Jersey's Marc Jackson inactive at this point of the season. All three are expected to be dealt.
In Portland, forward Ruben Patterson suffered the same fate after an insubordination incident on the bench, and the Blazers have actively been trying to trade him for months. They are obviously showcasing him now with hopes of creating some action.
And then there were other acquisitions that haven't worked out very well. Jerome James in New York, Houston's Stromile Swift and Earl Watson in Denver could all be traded — although Watson's odd status as a third point guard has changed this week with Earl Boykins injuring his hamstring.
There are plenty more possible trades. So let's take a look at the teams most likely to make a deal between now and the Feb. 23 trade deadline.
Indiana Pacers: The Pacers have to trade Artest. They stood by him through all of his fits before last season, then when he instigated the brawl at the Palace of Auburn Hills that decimated the team and the season. The preference is to move him out West, with the most likely candidates for trade being the Sacramento Kings (Bonzi Wells or Peja Stojakovic), Los Angeles Lakers (Kwame Brown or Devean George and Andrew Bynum), Golden State Warriors (Mike Dunleavy-plus) and the Seattle SuperSonics (Vladimir Radmanovic-plus). The best possibility on the East Coast is Atlanta, where the Hawks could trade back Al Harrington to Indiana.
New York Knicks: It's been six weeks, and, as expected, coach Larry Brown has discovered he doesn't have a point guard. Stephon Marbury never has and never will fit his mold; Jerome James, as expected, has been a total bust — getting out of shape; and they've been trying to move the contracts of Penny Hardaway and Malik Rose. The only happiness can be found with rookies Channing Frye, David Lee and Nate Robinson, plus second-year forward Trevor Ariza. They may acquire Ruben Patterson from Portland.
New Jersey Nets: The Nets are the most disappointing team in the East. Marc Jackson has been a bust, but there's something else wrong, and something has got to give. Neither Jason Kidd, nor Vince Carter appear as healthy or effective as last season, but Richard Jefferson looks fine. Nenad Krstic still looks promising, but they have been reportedly already making overtures to Houston for Stromile Swift, whom they had targeted last summer only to be outbid by the Rockets. President Rod Thorn will not stand pat through the trade deadline.
Sacramento Kings: The Kings are the West Coast version of the Nets. They have all the parts in place — they just aren't working. They're trying to run the same Princeton offense that worked so well off of Vlade Divac and Chris Webber off the post, but those guys aren't there anymore. Bonzi Wells has been so-so, but the problem has been trying to build around Peja Stojakovic, who just hasn't been up to All-Star form the past couple of years. He's the guy they need to move, and even if it isn't for Artest. Al Harrington in Atlanta, soon to be a free agent, would actually be a better fit.
Denver Nuggets: Once Earl Boykins' hamstring heals (he's a remarkable physical specimen), they'll move Watson. How can a third-string point guard be worth a four-year, $29 million contract? And there are plenty of teams that need a tough on-the-ball defending point guard, namely the Knicks, who have been offering Malik Rose. The Nuggets will trade Voshon Lenard — even for a second round draft choice.
Seattle Supersonics: The Sonics need to move forward Vladimir Radmanovic. He isn't playing as many minutes for Bob Weiss as he did for Nate McMillan, and he'll be a free agent next summer. He'll fit on any number of teams, particularly Indiana and Chicago. Flip Murray is also available and could be moved to a team that needs a scorer.
Portland Trail Blazers: They're so young and lost; you have to wonder what kind of players coach Nate McMillan thought he had before training camp and how he feels about them now. Zach Randolph is problematic for any number of reasons, including recovery from micro-fracture surgery. Darius Miles is still awaiting opinions on whether or not to have knee surgery — but he hasn't played in a couple of weeks in the process.
Washington Wizards: The Wizards are a sleeper team to make a deal. They're playing far below the level they were last season and need to get more quality depth up front. Etan Thomas is a nice player, but he is erratic and can't be counted on to get the job done — same with Brendan Haywood. At some point they will decide whether it's Jared Jeffries or Jarvis Hayes they like the most and move the other. This could be the time, because the Wizards could move prominently into the playoff picture in a hurry if they had an Artest or any kind of impact power player.
Miami Heat: With Pat Riley now coaching the team, the moves he wants to make now are even more unfettered than when he was just president. Now he doesn't have to worry about how the coach will coordinate the players. With Michael Doleac and young Dorell Wright as bait, Riley wants another point guard (Watson?) and a solid player up front.
Los Angeles Lakers: The Lakers still seem like the best prospect for Artest. The concept of Artest and Lamar Odom at forward, with Kobe Bryant on the wing makes Phil Jackson excited. Whether or not the Pacers can get excited about Kwame Brown or Devean George is a bigger question — because anyone can get excited about 7-foot-1 teenager Andrew Bynum, who is loaded with talent and a great at ude that Brown still has not reached.
Chicago Bulls: The Bulls badly need some power players and maybe a better small forward than Luol Deng. The key could be if and when they move Tim Thomas — maybe they can find a team that will take him just for the salary cap relief in the summer. But what players will they get? This is a huge test for general manager John Paxson, who's trying to figure out what went wrong beyond the dealing of Eddy Curry.
Regardless of who is thinking what — and Pacers CEO Donnie Walsh claims he's already heard from more than 20 other general managers regarding Artest, he's the kind of player who could help a very good team take the next step.
But teams are just asking for trouble with Artest as he could stunt the growth of an average squad or worse.
Veteran NBA writer Mike Kahn is a frequent FOXSports.com contributor.
I love it when Tony gets the blame for forcing the best coaches in the league to change their entire defensive strategy and other Spurs can't take the resulting advantage. It's like saying Tim is getting bailed out by [insert player here] when Tim is the one getting triple teamed.
I also love that folks want to get rid of Tony fully four or five years before his prime and give Indiana the one-two punch that has produced two championships and a 19-4 record thus far.
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Are you trying to suggest that Artest has come up huge in big games? That you'd give up Parker to get him, because he's a dominating playoff performer when it matters most?the point is baseline, Parker's 'allstar scoring' dissappears in the big games in the playoffs. i'll say it again, until he proves otherwise? he's a regular season allstar and a finals flop. and i'm a parker fan. i support the man. but i support the Spurs more.
If so, you might take a look again at his numbers in the 2004 ECF against Detroit.
In that series, Artest shot 28% from the floor and under 20% from 3. He averaged more than 10 points, but it took him a ridiculous number of shots just to get to those totals. What's worse is that he defended Rip, and Rip averaged almost 24 ppg in that series and scored 20+ in every game.
As bad as Parker occasionally can be, he's never shot so pathetically in any series. And Parker hasn't melted down to administer cheap shots because he's frustrated.
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