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    ^^^ both previous posts well said.

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    NBA RUMOR MILL – Ron To Sacramento?

    RUMOR HAS IT…
    In this weeks section geared exclusively towards the latest rumors floating around… “Rumor Has It…”

    The Hawks: Things are starting to settle down for the Hawks, turmoil in the locker room has cooled, and it seems the team has figured out that fighting internally is not going to make the season any better. There are two Hawks players being floated on the trade market one if Al Harrington, who is campaigning to be traded, the other is Tony Delk… Both players could be an attractive package to a team willing to give the Hawks young players, the Hawks look to be sitting on $15 to $18 million in cap space next summer, and a high draft pick.

    Some HEAT: Things have continued to progress for the Miami Heat, and trade talk has settled somewhat, a HEAT source says that Mike Doleac is still the player the HEAT are open to trading, and they’d like to return a shooter, Voshon Lenard continues to mentioned, and it seems the Nuggets are receptive. The HEAT are supposedly holding the line, until they establish Shaq is 100% healthy and going to play out the season.

    Some Size: Several teams are shopping for size - the Hornets, Hawks, Magic, Nets and Blazers have all made inquires about trading for “Bigs” and have made it clear they will deal for the right big man sooner than later.

    Zach Attack: Count the days, despite denials from the Blazers two league said they were told Zach Randolph is tiring of being the scapegoat for the Blazers and tired of being Nate McMillan’s whipping boy – one source said Zach vented at a friend saying he was playing the same way he’s always played, and the same way he was playing when the Blazers re-signed him, and he’s frustrated that now all of a sudden the way he’s playing is not good enough and he’s growing tired of Nate’s barbs in the press – It seems its only a matter of time before something gives and the Blazers have no choice but to deal Zach, and several teams have interest in acquiring him.

    RON ARTEST UPDATE
    The circus that’s has become the Ron Artest situation continues, this time with Ron and his agent Mark Stevens, pleading to the media that Ron does not want a trade from the Pacers. Pacers CEO Donnie Walsh says he’s still moving forward with exploration of offers, but is puzzled why Ron did not come to the team with his frustrations. This week Ron called teammates, trying to mend the fence, but Jermaine O’Neal refused his call, and told media that if for some reason Ron was allowed back on the team, it would be “him or me” drawing the line, that he would not play with Artest again. Walsh has told media he’s heard from more than 20 teams, most were exploratory calls seeking Indiana’s price – some had real offers attached… Here are some of the offers floated according to league and team sources – Donnie Walsh has refused to openly discuss what has be offered.

    Bonzi Wells & Kevin Martin - Its been suggested that Jermaine O’Neal was told of an offer from Sacramento that included good friend Bonzi Wells and “the kid they drafted last year”. A source close to the Kings says Bonzi has come to the realization that he wants to compete, and is finding the laid back atmosphere in Sacramento annoying and has hinted that he’d want a trade. The numbers work salary wise given the new 25% rule, for Sacramento they get Artest who they have coveted for some time, without giving up Peja – Indiana gets a player Jermaine O’Neal approves of, and a young player in Kevin Martin who they have scouted in each of the past too summers. Bonzi comes off the books next summer, so it’s not a long term marriage if it doesn’t work out, and Kevin is cheap – toss in a draft pick and this is the best deal floating around.

    Kelvin Cato and a draft pick - The Orlando Magic called, they asked the price tag and its been suggested Kelvin Cato and his ending contract was mentioned, but a source close to the Pacers said, the Magic do have a package that would work for the Pacers and that would be Tony Battie and Jameer Nelson – Magic sources say there is no way they deal Tony without getting a big man in return, and the club is not open to the idea of trading Jameer at this point. The only way the Magic get Ron Artest is to give up a piece they have now, and it does not seem like they are willing to do that.

    Three Way Through Atlanta
    The speculation was that Indiana wanted Al Harrington back, and that Denver had eyes for Ron Artest, the scenario goes that Denver trades Earl Watson to Atlanta, who sends Al Harrington to Denver, who send Harrington to Indiana for Ron Artest – its likely one other players has to be included to make the change work in trade in the Watson to Atlanta leg. It’s been suggested that Nene would be included in the deal to sweeten the offer, but a league source denies that he’d be included.

    Not New York Despite pleas from Ron Artest to be traded to the Knicks, a source inside the organization says Isiah Thomas is adamant that he is not bringing Ron Artest to New York, and that his calls to the Pacers were more to see if he could be of help in a three team trade that would help him be rid of Jerome James and Penny Hardaway and return useful pieces now, Artest is not viewed as one of them.

    TWO FOR THE ROAD
    You can call it the kiss of death for a coach – it’s the dreaded vote of confidence from the GM, and both Lawrence Frank of the Nets and Bob Weiss of the Sonics both got it this week. Rod Thorn told media that he did not think his club’s issues had anything to do with coaching, saying he thought the problems had more to do with players and says he’s committed to Lawrence Frank and his staff. Thorn has been working the phone pretty aggressively, looking to Houston’s Stromile Swift as a possible answer. Rumor has it Thorn is willing to come off Richard Jefferson for the right package of big men, and Jeff McInnis is said to be available after a very public pout about playing time. It seems the Nets will try to make a deal before making a coaching change, but if things do not improve in New Jersey, you can expect that there will be a change in the off-season, especially with Stan Van Gundy available. In Seattle Bob Weiss, is finding that the team that over achieved last year, is underachieving this year – some say its because Weiss plays favorites and some players feel like they are unwanted on the team. Rick Sund said the team this year reminds him of the team, two seasons ago that struggled due to effort and commitment by the players, he’s hopeful that things turn around for the Sonics, and would not entertain that a coaching change may be in order. Weiss got the Sonics job because there weren’t a lot of options for Seattle after Nate McMillan left, several people near the team say he’s a great guy, but better suited as a lead assistant, and expect the Sonics to make a change this summer.

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    with ron artest we are champs once again he has great d and good o too

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    David Whitley
    Hill for Artest? It's not as crazy as you'd think
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    Want to hear something crazy? The Magic are considering trading Grant Hill for Ron Artest.

    OK, they actually only considered it for about 2.8 seconds on Sunday.

    That was how long it took Assistant General Manager Otis Smith to stop chuckling at the thought of trading the Comeback Player of the Year for the Go-Away Player of the Year.

    "We're both problem children," Hill joked.

    The difference is Hill's problems have required crutches. Artest's have required a straitjacket. That said, guess who called Indiana to see if they could work out some kind of deal?

    "You have to inquire about a player of that caliber," Smith said.

    You certainly do, no matter how insane it seems.

    The mere mention of the phrase "Artest" is enough to make most people break out a crucifix. He is the NBA's Sling Blade. One minute, he's sweetly and innocently eating french-fried potatoes. The next, he's chopping off his team's head with a lawn mower blade.

    It wasn't enough that he made the entire NBA look like a 50 Cent video last year. The Pacers stood by him, and he has repaid them by sabotaging another season. He said he can't function under Coach Rick Carlisle and demanded a trade. Now he says he wants to stay. The Pacers just want to get rid of Artest before Jermaine O'Neal throws a beer at him.

    If the sports world were sane, prospective employers would look at Artest and see a tsunami of trouble. Instead, they envision long, happy walks on the beach.

    "We all think a change of address is good," Smith said. "We all think getting around our guys and putting our staff around him will make the difference."

    We all think anyone is nuts for thinking that, but it's a bottom-line business. And the bottom line is Artest is one of the league's best players.

    As nice as it might be to get sanctimonious and say, "We'd never take that bum," the fact is a general manager isn't doing his job unless he at least inquires.

    About 20 teams have done so with Artest. They know fans initially will act as if the team just imported a 6-foot-7 Vietnamese chicken infected with the avian flu. But as soon as Artest shuts down LeBron James, fans will love him.

    Sometimes a change of scenery helps (see: Rasheed Wallace, Corey Dillon). But some head cases carry their issues wherever they go (Larry Brown, a certain Philadelphia Eagles receiver, Sling Blade).

    Artest's fate is predictable. He'll get a new team, he'll work hard and everybody will sing redemptive praises. But sooner or later, the time bomb will explode. Even with that, Artest is worth acquiring if your franchise is out of alignment.

    Teams such as Detroit and San Antonio don't need the disruption. Teams such as the Knicks and Lakers have no chemistry to lose. Teams such as the Magic have to be pragmatic.

    If you can get Artest for 50 cents on the dollar and he behaves for a couple of seasons, it's worth the gamble. Wouldn't you trade Hedo Turkoglu for Artest and a psychiatrist to be named later?

    And though the contracts make it almost impossible, what about a 26-year-old small forward entering his prime for a 33-year-old small forward who sadly limped through much of his?

    Put away the pitchforks, it'll never happen. But as much as Artest deserves to be banished for another season, teams would be nuts not to try to pick him up.

    Then they'd really be crazy to think it's going to last.

    David Whitley can be reached at [email protected].

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    Should Suns gamble on Artest?
    By Scott Bordow, Tribune Columnist
    December 18, 2005
    The Suns would be crazy to trade for Ron Artest. And crazy is the operative word here.
    Artest is the Jerry Springer Show in basketball shorts, a dysfunctional, volatile head case who poisons whatever he touches.

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    You thought Terrell Owens was a selfish malcontent? Compared to Artest, he’s Mother Teresa.

    Artest asked the Indiana Pacers for time off so he could promote his rap album.

    He went into the stands at the Palace in Auburn Hills last November, got into a melee with the fans and was suspended for the rest of the season by commissioner David Stern.

    He then thanked the Pacers for their support during the suspension by demanding a trade because he doesn’t like coach Rick Carlisle’s system. He didn’t go to management with his trade request, by the way. He aired his dirty laundry in the media.

    ‘‘I’m so demanding of the ball. It’s not my fault,’’ Artest told the Indianapolis Star. ‘‘Every time somebody is on me it’s a mismatch. It messes up the offense. I like Coach as a person, but I don’t like playing for Coach."

    Clearly, a team would have to be desperate to acquire a player who has more baggage than Phoenix Sky Harbor International Airport.

    Or, it would have to be on the cusp of winning an NBA championship.

    Artest, 26, may be an anarchist, but he’s also one of the NBA’s best players. He was averaging 19.4 points and 2.63 steals per game this season before popping off and then being told by Pacers management to stay away from the team. Two seasons ago, he was the NBA Defensive Player of the Year.

    The reward is huge.

    But so is the risk.

    Which brings us back to the Suns.

    Team officials already have said they’re not interested in making a major deal, and after ridding themselves of one me-first player — Stephon Marbury — they’re not going to pursue, in Artest, someone who believes he’s bigger than an organization.

    But if I’m team president Bryan Colangelo, here’s why I’m calling the Pacers:
    Kurt Thomas, Amaré Stoudemire, Shawn Marion, Artest and Steve Nash.

    No NBA team, including the San Antonio Spurs and Detroit Pistons, would have a better starting five come the postseason. If Stoudemire is healthy or even close to his old form, the Suns would be a legitimate championship contender.

    Phoenix can make the trade work under the salary cap — Artest will make $6.8 million this year —by trading Raja Bell and Jim Jackson. If that’s not enough for Indiana, Phoenix could part with one of the two first-round draft choices it received in the Joe Johnson deal.

    Now, there’s good reason to just say no to Artest. He complained he wasn’t getting enough shots in Indiana, so would he pollute the atmosphere because the Suns’ offense runs through Nash and Stoudemire?

    Phoenix has an exceptional locker room in terms of camaraderie and selflessness. The team comes first in every respect. Toss a human hand grenade like Artest into the mix and he could leave shrapnel from one end of the room to the other.

    Also, there’s something to be said for stability. The Suns are a young, athletic club that will be immeasurably better when Stoudemire returns. There’s no need to make a major move and overhaul the roster for the second time since the Western Conference Finals.

    But Artest is talented enough to suspend logic, even if it’s only for the amount of time Colangelo might talk to Pacers president Donnie Walsh.

    Artest could benefit from a change of scenery, as Rasheed Wallace did in going from Portland to Detroit. Wallace’s image didn’t require a complete refurbishing — his Trail Blazer teammates liked and respected him — but who’s to say Artest wouldn’t change his ways with a fresh start? Or respond better to Mike D’Antoni’s light touch than he did the taciturn Carlisle.

    Artest needs to be on a team with a strong veteran presence in the locker room. The Suns have that in Nash and Thomas; they might be able to keep Artest in line.

    It’s admirable that Phoenix is not only winning games but doing so with a group of players you can feel good about.

    But in the end, professional sports isn’t about character. It’s about championships. Artest could blow up in the Suns’ face. Or, help them win a le. Isn’t that worth thinking about?

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    I think every team in the NBA should be allowed to designate one player to go into the stands at the Palace and beat up one unsuspecting Piston fan late in the 4th quarter.
    I cannot take anything else you say seriously. You have just invalidated anything worthwhile you have ever said, IMHO.

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    Are you trying to suggest that Artest has come up huge in big games? That you'd give up Parker to get him, because he's a dominating playoff performer when it matters most?

    If so, you might take a look again at his numbers in the 2004 ECF against Detroit.

    In that series, Artest shot 28% from the floor and under 20% from 3. He averaged more than 10 points, but it took him a ridiculous number of shots just to get to those totals. What's worse is that he defended Rip, and Rip averaged almost 24 ppg in that series and scored 20+ in every game.

    As bad as Parker occasionally can be, he's never shot so pathetically in any series. And Parker hasn't melted down to administer cheap shots because he's frustrated.
    FWD, zac hasn't gotten any smarter since the last time you tried to debate him.

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    Contrary to some posts, the only person Artest respects is HIMSELF. This guy has an ego problem that drives him.
    I'm not contesting the ego thing, but I still contend that he does NOT respect himself. There is not a shred of self-respect about the man.

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    I love it when Tony gets the blame for forcing the best coaches in the league to change their entire defensive strategy and other Spurs can't take the resulting advantage. It's like saying Tim is getting bailed out by [insert player here] when Tim is the one getting triple teamed.

    I also love that folks want to get rid of Tony fully four or five years before his prime and give Indiana the one-two punch that has produced two championships and a 19-4 record thus far.
    the 1-2 punch the spurs have is Tim Duncan and Manu Ginobili.

    with Kudos to Bruce for locking down on D.

    Parker is a role player at best in the BIG games.

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    Are you trying to suggest that Artest has come up huge in big games? That you'd give up Parker to get him, because he's a dominating playoff performer when it matters most?

    If so, you might take a look again at his numbers in the 2004 ECF against Detroit.

    In that series, Artest shot 28% from the floor and under 20% from 3. He averaged more than 10 points, but it took him a ridiculous number of shots just to get to those totals. What's worse is that he defended Rip, and Rip averaged almost 24 ppg in that series and scored 20+ in every game.

    As bad as Parker occasionally can be, he's never shot so pathetically in any series. And Parker hasn't melted down to administer cheap shots because he's frustrated.
    Are you trying to suggest that Tony Parker would have done better vs detroit if he was a Pacer last year?

    Watch Artest Blossom into a Superstar with TD down low and Pop in control. With Bruce and Manu showing him the way by leading by example.

    Apples and Oranges. You guys can WIN all the stat arguments, okay. Sometimes it goes deeper than that.

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    FWD, zac hasn't gotten any smarter since the last time you tried to debate him.

    Oh, i beg to differ. But as you were.

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    Ugh, this thread is still going on?

    First off, you aren't going to be able to land Artest for table scraps. Barry + Marks or whatever is not going to get it done.

    Secondly, there isn't really a need to make such a move. Once Manu is back, you have Bowen/Manu/Finley as your top 3 in your swing rotation. Artest perhaps would make for a slight improvement over Finley, but you have to discount that with all of the drama he brings, including the propensity to do something incredibly stupid.

    Finally, with Mohammed clearly being on the trade block, you already have the potential to land a useful swingman, someone who can fit in your system, give you what you need and who is mentally stable.

    Bringing in Artest, at his price and with the potential to wreck yet another contender in this league would not be a good basketball move, just like ownership limiting the activities of the player-personnel management in order to shave a few measly bucks off payroll.

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    the 1-2 punch the spurs have is Tim Duncan and Manu Ginobili.
    Last I checked, Tony is scoring just as much Tim.

    I still can't believe folks are calling Tony's play this season a fluke.

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    Salaries match?

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    No.

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    are you on crack?

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    we can toss Beno in the trade also

    why would you trade Bruce? Ron well never be half the player Bruce is.

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    Artest has proven to be a much better quitter and record producer than Bruce.

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    Pop would never trade Bowen. He'll retire a Spur. Mark the tape.

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    he may be as good of a defender as Bowen but he's still a very good defender


    plus Artest is a MUCH better offensive player it's not even funny


    and the Spurs get younger

    the team we have is good the way it is. there is no necessity to trade or alter the team, especially if they want to trade someone for Ron

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    everyone thought Big Dogg would be a problem and look how that turned out
    Yeah, he cost us about $300k for 20 games and no players in trade.

    If we could do the same with Artest I'd be all for it.

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    Artest would be a great Spur under Pop
    Sure

    By the way, who wins the next Lotto?

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    The Spurs need Artest like they need a punch in the face, so in that respect the trade would work, as that's about all that the Spurs would get. He should retire from basketball and launch a hip hop trio featuring himself, Bobby Brown, and Mike Tyson.

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    He should retire from basketball and launch a hip hop trio featuring himself, Bobby Brown, and Mike Tyson.
    Maybe Tonya Harding can be their manager.

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    From what I've read so far Artest isn't considering the Spurs and the Spurs aren't considering Artest, most articles don't even mention Artest and Spurs at all.

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