I'd love to have artest on SA. but like most things when it comes to trade rumors and the spurs, i dont see this happening. artest is a hot trade topic so people will say anything to start a hot discussion. the chances of artest actually coming here will be like 3%.
The funny thing is that you actually think this is clever...
You're quickly climbing the ranks of biggest bag in this place...
, you might have already won...
Congrats!
Most stadiums do not have fans throwing beer on the court. Merry Christmas. Artest can get the Lakers to the playoffs. maybe Artest for Ben Wallace, they make about the same.
I don't think Stephen Jackson had been sent to any psychiatrists by former teams or had been order to anger management, or had violence problems.
Here is what Walsh had to say:
Pacers Encouraged By Quality Of Trade Offers
16th December, 2005 - 7:32 pm
ESPN - Indiana Pacers president Donnie Walsh is "encouraged" by the quality of the offers he has received for Ron Artest, including what he said were at least two proposals involving All-Star caliber players.
Without being specific about any of the 12-15 offers he said he had received, Walsh told ESPN.com he had heard from 20 teams, some of which merely called to ask what Walsh was looking for. Walsh said he was planning to get back to three of those teams to make specific requests.
"I've talked to a lot of teams, discussed myriad types of offers. Some are player for player, some involve first-round draft picks, some involve savings, some involve a combination of those things," Walsh said. "I'm encouraged by some of the things we were offered."
He would not set a timetable for trading Artest, though he did concede: "I'd like to get it behind us, but I don't feel any [time] pressure to do it. I'd like to winnow it down to two or three deals I'd like to do." Artest has been placed on the inactive list and told to stay away from the team while Walsh fields trade offers. Artest's agent said he expects a trade to be completed by the end of the week. On Friday, Walsh told ESPN's Steven A. Smith that the Pacers will keep Artest on the inactive list for the rest of the season if they are unable to trade their disgruntled All Star. In that case, Artest would still receive his full salary...
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At least the rumour of 2-3 teams seems to be correct. I wonder who that might be. Who knows if the Spurs are one of them...
P.S. IF the Spurs would get him (which I don't believe) I would like to make it happen before 25. december because I would like to see him play the Pistons...
i think artest should pull a fake injury to lower his trade value and we come in for the sweep
Anyone who believes this story also believes in the tooth fairy. It isn't worth reading. It's like wishing for a Katrina-like hurricane when you have a clear spring day and 72 degrees. All of you have got to give the Spurs organization much more credit than this.
CIA POP ???
hehe
I think you are nuts if:
1) You don't think Artest is a huge risk. Why take the risk, especially with a team that's headed for another ring?, and
2) You don't think Artest wants to be one of the focal points of the team he is going to. How can he be one of the focal points in a team that has TD, TP, Manu, Finley, VanX. He would be nothing but a bench/role player.
nets suppose are offering vc for artest
A guy referred to this tonight on the pacers postgame call-in show.
During tonights game Jax gets the ball on the left side beyond three point line, with a guy on him.
Sarunas is to his right, beyond the three point line wide-open calling for the ball. Jax looks right at him and doesn't pass. Sarunas gets a helpless look on his face, gets mad and runs to the other side of the court. Jax takes the ball in by himself - I can't remember if he scores or not.
The guy on the phone indicates that Jax and Tinsley are trying to Freeze Sarunas out on the offense - sure looked like it on that play.
So here's what happens afterward - somebody calls a timeout, and as they're walking back Sarunas goes straight over to Jackson and puts his arm around him, trying to be his buddy - Jax rejects the motion and doesn't even acknowlege Sarunas - never even makes eye contact - Sarunas finally gives up and walks away.
I saw this live, right in front of me. There's something else going on with the team right now. Anybody know what's up?
I have been pointing this out nearly every game. Jax and Tinsley are not giving up the ball to Sarunas unless he is the only option. Sarunas is trying to win them over but he doesn't appear to be having much luck.
I'm glad someone besides myself has noticed this, and I hope Rick puts a stop to it ASAP.....when's Larry getting back?
http://www2.indystar.com/forums/showthread.php?t=130115
seems to me there is alot of players in pacer land that do like jackson.......... and seems to me alot of fighting going on
no wonder ron wants out he wants a fresh start
Jackson has turned into a head up in Indiana.
But Im still suprised how many people are ready to bag on this guy, based on things they THINK they know.
Shamefull.
it was in the paper that jackson and oneal were fighting after the hawks game
I'm sure he's also using a bit of hyperbole to get the best offers he can.Indiana Pacers president Donnie Walsh is "encouraged" by the quality of the offers he has received for Ron Artest, including what he said were at least two proposals involving All-Star caliber players.
I never said he wasn't a risk, just that with the team environment we have here I think it's a risk worth taking.I think you are nuts if:
1) You don't think Artest is a huge risk. Why take the risk, especially with a team that's headed for another ring?, and
And I'm sorry, but too many people act like a ring is a foregone conclusion. The Pistons ain't going anywhere, and Horry isn't going to be around to bail us out forever. And Bowen isn't getting any younger. , I hate the arrogance of our fans. Like I said, we were 3 quarters of ridiculously clutch basketball by Robert Horry away from choking on the biggest stage of pro basketball in the Finals.
Artest has said first and foremost he wants to win a ring. He's stated he'd come off the bench behind a guy like LeBron, does that sound selfish to you? He's stated he thinks Tim Duncan is one of the best ballas in the league, and admired him from afar about the whole KG vs. Tim thing. That basically amounted to street cred for Tim from Artest.2) You don't think Artest wants to be one of the focal points of the team he is going to. How can he be one of the focal points in a team that has TD, TP, Manu, Finley, VanX. He would be nothing but a bench/role player.
Look, the media love to have a bad guy. They love to sensationalize . You should realize that by now. Artest is one of the league's bad guys. So I don't buy this whole he needs to be the #1 option and be the man .
I know some of you will have a hard time digesting this, but the minute Artest stepped on the court he'd be the second best player we have. And that's coming from someone who's a Manu fan and is incredibly thrilled with Tony's play this year.
It's a risk, but the family environment of this franchise makes it one worth taking. Everyone said Buckets was a punk (and he's proven it in Indy), but with the Spurs team environment he managed. Look at Finley and Van Exel (Nick in particular). People said "oh, Finley needs to score 20 a night to be happy." "Nick? Y'all have a cancer."
I don't see this team going in the ter right now with these two here, do you?
Finally, I trust Pop in personnel matters. If the Spurs have made an offer that's because they know the real truth (more than we hear in the press) about Artest.
I agree wholeheartedly.but the minute Artest stepped on the court he'd be the second best player we have
Of course the Manu delegation will shout you down with how dare yous, and are you nuts, but at least Artest will stay healthy.
Artest has said first and foremost he wants to win a ring. He's stated he'd come off the bench behind a guy like LeBron, does that sound selfish to you? He's stated he thinks Tim Duncan is one of the best ballas in the league, and admired him from afar about the whole KG vs. Tim thing. That basically amounted to street cred for Tim from Artest.
^^^ Great stuff.
Of course the haters love to ignore this.
Manu has played more games over the past two seasons than Artest has. I don't care if it's health or something else, Manu has been on the court more than Artest has. That's the bottom line. Manu is always at risk of missing time due to injury, and Artest is always a risk to miss significant time because he does stupid things. , Artest is missing time right now because the team doesn't want him around while trade options are explored.
Spin it any way you want to, but the fact is that Manu plays more games.
Artest has also said that the reason he wants to be traded is because he needs to get more opportunities on the offense end. So what does he really want? I don't think anyone knows. But if you believe the above quote and don't believe the statements he made about wanting to be traded so he could score more points, I'd like to know your reasoning.Artest has said first and foremost he wants to win a ring. He's stated he'd come off the bench behind a guy like LeBron, does that sound selfish to you? He's stated he thinks Tim Duncan is one of the best ballas in the league, and admired him from afar about the whole KG vs. Tim thing. That basically amounted to street cred for Tim from Artest.
^^^ Great stuff.
Of course the haters love to ignore this.
You can continue to believe selective things, but those of us capable of reason will, at the very least, understand that he says conflicting things. That makes it difficult, if not impossible, to really know what he's thinking.
In other words, that quote is worthless.
TPark, you're the one always lamenting the fact that the N.B.A. is full of guys with "ten cent heads." Artest probably epitomizes that more than any other player in the league. Just for the record, let's clear some thing up. You are advocating that the Spurs trade for a guy who has:
- Thrown basketballs at his teammates' heads
- Been suspended for almost an entire season for fighting in the stands
- Requested a trade from a pretty good team because he isn't getting enough touches
- Wanted to take a month off from playing basketball because he became tired promoting his new CD
- And the list can go on and on...
If nothing else, at least have some consistency.
Me too. And perhaps the most arrogant thing I can imagine is thinking that the Spurs can take the most screwed up player in the league, manage him, and turn him into a decent teammate and citizen. To me, that's about as arrogant as it gets., I hate the arrogance of our fans.
A ring is certainly not guaranteed. But the Spurs have a decent shot at a ring. That may or may not be true if Artest joins the team. That's where the risk comes in. I'm more comfortable having a good shot at a ring.
He's created problems everywhere he's been. I simply think you don't have a good grasp on what's needed to win a championship. I'm no N.B.A. player or coach, but I'm thinking that talent is only one consideration.
Last edited by Brodels; 12-17-2005 at 10:13 AM. Reason: Forgot a word.
All I can say is that I really really don't want Artest on my team. I've seen his actions on court, read interviews... and his latest interview on RealSports........
I hate his at ude and I do think he's a risk. Megalomaniac. He is talented.. I'm not sayign that he's not.
But he is also poisen.
I don't want him here. I would be very sad.
really really.
and thats all I have to say about that.
Yeah and I was called a racist for saying that.TPark, you're the one always lamenting the fact that the N.B.A. is full of guys with "ten cent heads."
So I might as well change to fit with everyone heres opinion.
Bring Artest in, and watch how well hed work within the team.
So you've changed your opinions because someone thought you were a racist for saying that some guys have "ten cent heads?"
I'm still waiting for a response from you to some of the valid points made by the Artest naysayers.
There are no valid points.
Only Bull people make up to not want the guy here, because hes had problems in the past.
More than 1.So you've changed your opinions because someone thought you were a racist for saying that some guys have "ten cent heads?"
"They have ten cent heads cause they are black right?"
Thats what I always got in response.
There's a difference between Jack and Artest. Artest suffers from a psychiatric illness, one for which he has been diagnosed and issued medication. Jack does not.
Anyways, I find it quite amusing that those who feel it's unreasonable to expect the Spurs to carry the same depth they have before in seasons past, for the added expense of a minimum salary, are the same who feel it's perfectly reasonable to expect the Spurs to bring in a player who is (actually, not figuratively) certifiable and who has a recent history of violence and bizarre behavior. I can think of no better way to throw a wrench into the machine that is the Spurs than to bring in a mental egoist like Artest.
I consider myself one of the leaders of the Manu delegation, I still feel that way.Of course the Manu delegation will shout you down with how dare yous, and are you nuts, but at least Artest will stay healthy.
I find it quite amusing that some people can't wrap their little minds around the difference between a legitimate All-Star talent and some scrub 14th and 15th men to go hang out with the Toros at the expense of the Spurs.I find it quite amusing that those who feel it's unreasonable to expect the Spurs to carry the same depth they have before in seasons past, for the added expense of a minimum salary, are the same who feel it's perfectly reasonable to expect the Spurs to bring in a player who is (actually, not figuratively) certifiable and who has a recent history of violence and bizarre behavior.
End of the bench scrubs are a dime a dozen, and it's pretty obvious the Spurs can go out and pick one when the need arises.
You don't seem capable of understanding the fact that if we get down to having to use scrubs like Sanders for anything other than deep garbage time we're ed anyway.
I could see taking on Artest for the pittance of Barry/Oberto/Beno in some combination, but anything more is relying far too much on a proven nutjob and quitter.
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