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Vitale on tv saying that the U.S. should send the NBA champions to the Olympics. Obviously subs uting foreign players.
Thoughts?
Vitale is a moron
Completely disagree. That is the worst idea ever.
The whole idea of national teams, is that we're supposed to send our best players. The reason they aren't playing well, is because our system for choosing and integrating the players is complete ass.
You don't send club teams to play in international compe ions.
Well, I guess his reasoning is because it is a club and not a bunch of great players trying to play as a team in 3 weeks.
Many others have proposed the same thing. I don't think NBA owners would go for it because they wouldn't want the injuries. And I don't think the players for the most would go for it because they wouldn't want to give their time.
Some things definitely need to change though.
S y, the whole concept of a national team, is that you're supposed to send your best players, and integrate them into a true team concept.
You don't send club teams. Other countries don't send their club teams. And what are you going to do if you have international players on your club team? What does Dallas do if they are the NBA champs, but they have to go without Dirk Nowitzki?
Well, obviously it hasn't worked in the past few years, adidas.
And outside of the few international players that play in the NBA, haven't most of the teams played together for years unlike the USA?
Oh, and I'm not trying to pick a fight, so don't take it that way
If you want to send a champion, send a college team.
They'll know how to beat a zone at least.
The US isn't going to win any more gold medals. These are other teams are too good and they are only getting better. The US would have to get all their best players to go ... and it's not going to happen, especially how the country gave up on this team after the first game.
Let the college kids go and pray for a miracle. That's the best the US can do. Winning with NBA players can't happen anymore.
S y, the reason it hasn't worked in the past several years is due to our process. We don't have a full time coach, who devotes his job to evaluating and selecting players for the team. And the team almost never gets together for training and games.
And sending college players is even a worse idea. They would get stomped by the foreign professional players.
Per Pop's quote in the Post Game quotes thread.
On Argentina:
"Their execution showed the many years the played together. They shot the ball particularly well and that helped them to get the victory".
I think that means something.
The rest of the world has caught up. Deal with it. They are only going to get better ... this is just the tip of the iceburg.
I don't know if the original Dream Team would have taken gold here. They probably would but I doubt they'd go undefeated.
I don't think the rest of the world has caught up to the NBA elite. But I don't think the elite players will ever go unless they have something stipulating in their contracts that they have to go if asked. Though who would want players who don't want to be there?
Quote: "I don't know if the original Dream Team would have taken gold here. They probably would but I doubt they'd go undefeated."
Exactly TimVP. Team USA hasn't gotten worse since 1992. Other teams have just gotten better. People forget that when the original Dream Team played in the Olympics, the other teams were just happy to be on the same floor, to get autographs, and to have their pictures taken with them.
If the original Dream Team played against this caliber of compe ion, with the same amount of training that they had together, I surmise that they would lose as well.
It's time for our country to start taking international basketball compe ion more seriously (although I doubt that will happen).
If anything, I think and/or hope that this is a very humbling experience for some of the *stars* who are more interested in becoming a name and getting endorsement deals.
If anything, I hope this is a humbling experience for Team USA managment, and the NBA, for leaving our star players out to hang and dry, due to an inefficient process for our national team.
So what if they did do this... and what if the Spurs had won the le this past season instead of Detroit. We'd of gone to Athens without Manu, Tony, Hedo, Marks, etc.
Yeah, that makes sense.
The way it is now is fine... the only problem is certain players saying "no."
You can't fix that.
They should just go back to college players and let the pros who are making money, rest!
Why?It's time for our country to start taking international basketball compe ion more seriously
The original intention for the Dream Team was to introduce high-caliber basketball to the rest of the world. Winning gold wasn't the main reason David Stern and FIBA wanted it to happen. Now basketball is a global sport and has grown faster than anyone could have imagined ... in large part to the Dream Team.
Hypothetically, winning golds and dominating the world in the Olympics would be great. But it ain't going to happen anymore. The NBA is too big of a business to risk losing its main stars in international compe ion. The US should just bite the bullet and send a mix of castoffs and college players that are trained for a couple months.
It'd would be hard to win with such a team, but the gold would be that much sweeter.
eh, sounds good in theory, but a bad idea. under this plan, if the spurs had won the championship this past season, they would have been sent to athens to play without parker, ginobili, rasho, hedo, sean marks, and alex garcia. subbing in new players, however that would even be determined as well, would still create a chemistry problem and wouldnt even be sening the true champion team...i still like the idea of letting college juniors and seniors go as a reward for staying in school and learning. we may not win as often, but most college ballers would kill for that opportunity. however, changing anything now makes the US look like sore losers since the rest of the world finally caught upVitale on tv saying that the U.S. should send the NBA champions to the Olympics. Obviously subs uting foreign players.
You ask why TimVP?
Because it's better for basketball globally.
The reason why the Olympic committee pushed for the Team USA to start sending pros, was to help in the development of international basketball for other countries. And that has worked like a charm.
But you are right, as long as our country places more importance on our domestic league than we do international compe ion, then we will continue to suffer. And it also hurts the rest of the world, by us not sending our best players, in the best selection and preparation process that we can provide.
Soccer does it, and they play FAR more demanding schedules for their domestic leagues than the NBA does.
Teams like the Spurs would have to add several at-large NBA players, since three starters (Gino, Rasho, Tony) and three bench players (Marks, Beno, Sato) would not be able to represent the USA.Vitale on tv saying that the U.S. should send the NBA champions to the Olympics. Obviously subs uting foreign players.
Thoughts?
Yeah, that's what I said.The reason why the Olympic committee pushed for the Team USA to start sending pros, was to help in the development of international basketball for other countries. And that has worked like a charm.
I'm not the soccer expert but it doesn't seem like they put too much into the Olympics. If Iraq is getting 4th place, something isn't right.
Explain that for me.
I think there's a significant practical difficulty in uprooting the NBA champion and sending that team to the Olympics, not only because there are issues with subs uting for foreign players, but also because there are team-building issues that most franchises wouldn't want to deal with.
Take this year for example -- you send the Pistons. Obviously, Mehmet and Darko can't play. You subs ute for those guys with, say (for argument's sake) Tim Duncan and Allen Iverson. If you're Larry Brown and you've suddenly been given Tim Duncan, are you going to sit him on the bench to keep the Wallaces on the floor and happy? Are you going to risk developing strife within your club team (which may arise from displacing a starter) or are you going to do what's best for the national team? It's just a question, but I'm not sure there's any easy answer.
And what do you do about players who have been traded or who have departed/arrived in free agency? If you send the Pistons this year, do you take Corliss Williamson or do you take Derrick Coleman? Assuming you have some guy who has been shipped out against his wishes, how does the coach of the team handle a situation like that?
What if you have a guy who was a key part of winning the championship but, for whatever reason, wasn't tendered an offer as a free agent and has been replaced (say something akin to a Stephen Jackson/Hedo Turkoglu situation -- obviously, that's a bad specific example, given Hedo's nationality, but use a comparable American in Hedo's place and you get to the same point).
I think there are too many dynamics in existence to make sending a club team over a feasible alternative. Maybe it's just time to face the fact that we've wrought what David Stern and others have sown -- we've made the world so interested in basketball that they've learned to play our game at our level (or better).
I will.
Soccer doesn't place much importance on the Olympics. They only allow Under-23 players (with the exception of adding 3 overage players) for the compe on. The reason why? FIFA doesn't want a compe ion to rival the World Cup. Plus, a lot of the strong countries play in other compe ions besides the World Cup and the Olympics (for example, Euro 2004, CONCAF, South American Championships, Asian Championships, etc). In essence, the national teams still play in a lot of high priority compe ions. They just don't value the Olympics that much.
That about covers it.If anything, I hope this is a humbling experience for Team USA managment, and the NBA, for leaving our star players out to hang and dry, due to an inefficient process for our national team.
And the closest Jefferson should ever come to being around Team USA again is buying a jersey at Foot Locker.
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