My problem with Tony Parker

[pache100]

Just accept that there's a certain sad segment that lives solely to dump on TP--win or lose, no matter what the facts are--and move on.

Yes, Shoog, alas...I think you are right.

[Kori Ellis]

Just accept that there's a certain sad segment that lives solely to dump on TP--win or lose, no matter what the facts are--and move on.

True. Pop asks him to shoot more, he does, and then Spurs fans get pissed.

Just like earlier, Pop asked him to distribute more in a particular game, he had 10+ assists and Spurs fans started a thread saying they like the 20 pt/0 assist games better than the 12 and 12.

Tony has had to carrying the scoring load for the majority of the season. He's improved his jumper. He's hitting nearly all his free throws in this series. He's had 3 20-plus point games out of 4. His counter part Bibby is shooting 35%. (And believe me, I still think TP has big room for improvement).

But really, if you ask Spurs fans, the losses are on him. Ignore Manu folding his tent, taking his ball and going home. Ignore Bonzi going ape on the glass and the Spurs D.

It's all on Tony.

Don't believe otherwise

[implacable44]

T. Parker 43 8-16 0-1 6-7 1 4 10 game 2
10 assist I think he knows how to pass

how come no one bashed tp for taking 16 shots this game ?

especially shooting 7 free throws to?????

wow - - he had :
4 assists
10 assists
6 assists
1 assist

averaging : 5.25 per game - compared to say andre miller average 7+ or hinrich averaging 8+ per game. both still scoring but they create scoring opportunities for their team - parker is more of a sam cassell type PG - which isnt bad and I am not saying he is the only reason the Spurs are losing - I don't like his game -- never have -- i think he is good -I just dont like him for the spurs - he would be a good in New York or something - just not for the Spurs.

[implacable44]

There you go destroying any credibility you had again. Steve Kerr played very limited minutes. People remember his big shots and think he played a lot, but he didn't. Who do you think got the team to the point where Steve (or God forbid, BENO) hit anything? Why don't you just admit you hate Tony Parker (who IS the Spurs as much as anyone else) and get on with your life so the rest of us can do the same?

I never said he played loads of minutes in that game - but he had to come in and save the day - dont act like he didnt - if it wasnt for him - the spurs would have lost to the mavs.

notice you didnt comment on the lakers series

[implacable44]

True. Pop asks him to shoot more, he does, and then Spurs fans get pissed.

Just like earlier, Pop asked him to distribute more in a particular game, he had 10+ assists and Spurs fans started a thread saying they like the 20 pt/0 assist games better than the 12 and 12.

Tony has had to carrying the scoring load for the majority of the season. He's improved his jumper. He's hitting nearly all his free throws in this series. He's had 3 20-plus point games out of 4. His counter part Bibby is shooting 35%. (And believe me, I still think TP has big room for improvement).

But really, if you ask Spurs fans, the losses are on him. Ignore Manu folding his tent, taking his ball and going home. Ignore Bonzi going ape on the glass and the Spurs D.

It's all on Tony.

Don't believe otherwise

not I - I have called them all out - I don't wear the black and silver glasses either though like some folks in pink bras who shall remain nameless and think that bruce bowen should have been in the 3 point shoot out and is the best defensive player on the planet. I am a realist. The Spurs are getting beat in every facet of the game and Kori - they leave Parker open to shoot the jumper for a reason and boy it sure looks darn effective doesn't it.

somebody please put Bonzi on his tush in game 5 to send a message.

[George Gervin's Afro]

I wanted to re-post my original comments because they have evolved into mischaracterizations and insults. They do not place blame on Tony for everything or the loss for that matter however there are other Spurs fans who see the same things I do.



It has become an annual event come playoff time that Tony disappears. Teams have time to game plan for him and he has become a liability during the playoffs. Now save me his line last night because he got those points because he has the ball in his hands 80% of the time. I am extremely dissapointed in our coaching staff and Parker because we know whats coming and Tony struggles which leads to his moping around with an "oh well what can I do" look on his face. When he cannot penetrate and dish we , as a team, have a difficult time even getting a decent shot off. I wonder if our staff and team have the mentality that we are going to play the same way during the playoffs as we did in the reg. season and if it is not good enough 'oh well'. I am by no means blaming Parker for this loss but I am becoming tired of seeing our point guard become irrelevant during the playoffs which now has happened in round one. I wonder if I email Pop and mention to him that teams are going to take away the lane and make Tony a perimeter player and does he have any idea what we will do when this happens. I can accept losing when the other team just kicks are ass like the Kings are but I am very close to losing faith in Tony Parker..yes I know he was a "REGULAR SEASON" all star but at some point this guy is going to have to figure out how to help his team when he cannot penetrate and dish. I've got news for everybody , assuming we get beyond this round, Tony will struggle for the rest of the playoffs and I hope we are all ready for it.
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[ducks]

do you want me to repost all the rebuttle to your post to?

[pache100]

I never said he played loads of minutes in that game - but he had to come in and save the day - dont act like he didnt - if it wasnt for him - the spurs would have lost to the mavs.

notice you didnt comment on the lakers series

I'm done. I think you just enjoy being an ass.

[ducks]

manu got 9 assist in one game
the ball goes to duncan some to
point guards in the spurs o do not get as many assist as say point guards do that have o like pacers

[pache100]

I wanted to re-post my original comments because they have evolved into mischaracterizations and insults. They do not place blame on Tony for everything or the loss for that matter however there are other Spurs fans who see the same things I do.



It has become an annual event come playoff time that Tony disappears. Teams have time to game plan for him and he has become a liability during the playoffs. Now save me his line last night because he got those points because he has the ball in his hands 80% of the time. I am extremely dissapointed in our coaching staff and Parker because we know whats coming and Tony struggles which leads to his moping around with an "oh well what can I do" look on his face. When he cannot penetrate and dish we , as a team, have a difficult time even getting a decent shot off. I wonder if our staff and team have the mentality that we are going to play the same way during the playoffs as we did in the reg. season and if it is not good enough 'oh well'. I am by no means blaming Parker for this loss but I am becoming tired of seeing our point guard become irrelevant during the playoffs which now has happened in round one. I wonder if I email Pop and mention to him that teams are going to take away the lane and make Tony a perimeter player and does he have any idea what we will do when this happens. I can accept losing when the other team just kicks are ass like the Kings are but I am very close to losing faith in Tony Parker..yes I know he was a "REGULAR SEASON" all star but at some point this guy is going to have to figure out how to help his team when he cannot penetrate and dish. I've got news for everybody , assuming we get beyond this round, Tony will struggle for the rest of the playoffs and I hope we are all ready for it.
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I think your problem is you haven't changed anyone's mind about Tony Parker with you hate. You probably better get over that.

[implacable44]

insulting someone ? is that your sole purpose on this board ? Infuriating.

Look some folks like you say live to hate on TP no matter what he does and then there are those ( yourself included) who have black and silver glasses and think he hung the moon. I have already said my peace- TP is a dang good player - fast, knows how to score but doesnt know how to play PG - he is a steve francis, stephon marbury without the jumper. that is how i see him. I am not blaming losses on him or giving him credit for victories.

[implacable44]

manu got 9 assist in one game
the ball goes to duncan some to
point guards in the spurs o do not get as many assist as say point guards do that have o like pacers

that is silly - the spurs dont run the triangle - somebody - kori has to have some type of stats about how long tp has the ball in his hand - he has more control of the rock in this offense than any other player. he should create scoring opportunities for them. he could easily average 20 and 10 with this roster.

[George Gervin's Afro]

I think your problem is you haven't changed anyone's mind about Tony Parker with you hate. You probably better get over that.

wow you got that i hate tony parker out of it. Your either not very bright or intellectually dishonest irregardless there are other Spurs fans who 'hate' Tony parker because they don't suck on his nuts like you do. Please find where i hate him and get back to me..

[ducks]

Andre Miller 4 37.8 6.8 14.8 45.8 0.0 0.0 0.0 3.3 3.8 86.7 1.5 2.5 4.0 7.0 3.8 1.0 0.3 2.3 16.8


Tony Parker 4 33.5 7.8 16.0 48.4 0.0 0.8 0.0 4.8 5.0 95.0 0.5 2.5 3.0 5.3 3.3 1.3 0.0 2.3 20.3


tony is shotting better then miller also and averaging 4 more points a game in the playoffs

[ducks]

spurs playoff stats show far


yer G Min M A Pct M A Pct M A Pct Off Def Tot Ast TO Stl Blk PF PPG
Tony Parker 4 33.5 7.8 16.0 48.4 0.0 0.8 0.0 4.8 5.0 95.0 0.5 2.5 3.0 5.3 3.3 1.3 0.0 2.3 20.3
Tim Duncan 4 32.8 6.5 11.8 55.3 0.0 0.0 0.0 4.8 7.3 65.5 1.5 8.5 10.0 2.3 2.0 0.8 1.8 3.5 17.8
Manu Ginobili 4 28.8 4.8 10.8 44.2 0.8 3.5 21.4 3.0 4.0 75.0 0.5 3.0 3.5 4.3 2.8 0.3 0.0 2.8 13.3
Brent Barry 4 25.2 4.0 6.8 59.3 2.0 4.0 50.0 1.3 2.3 55.6 0.0 2.3 2.3 2.3 0.0 1.0 0.3 1.3 11.3
Michael Finley 4 24.4 3.3 7.3 44.8 2.0 4.3 47.1 2.0 2.5 80.0 0.0 3.0 3.0 2.0 0.0 0.5 0.3 1.3 10.5
Nazr Mohammed 4 19.3 2.8 3.8 73.3 0.3 0.3 100.0 2.8 3.5 78.6 3.0 2.3 5.3 0.3 1.8 0.5 1.5 2.8 8.5
Robert Horry 4 16.6 1.8 2.8 63.6 1.0 1.5 66.7 2.0 2.5 80.0 1.5 1.3 2.8 0.3 1.5 0.0 1.0 1.8 6.5
Rasho Nesterovic 4 19.4 2.8 4.0 68.8 0.3 0.3 100.0 0.5 0.5 100.0 1.5 3.8 5.3 0.3 0.3 0.5 1.0 2.5 6.3
Beno Udrih 3 10.8 2.7 7.3 36.4 0.3 1.7 20.0 0.3 0.3 100.0 0.3 0.7 1.0 2.7 0.3 0.0 0.0 2.0 6.0
Nick Van Exel 3 12.2 1.0 5.3 18.8 1.0 2.3 42.9 1.7 1.7 100.0 0.0 0.3 0.3 1.0 0.3 0.3 0.3 1.7 4.7
Bruce Bowen 4 25.4 1.5 3.0 50.0 0.8 1.5 50.0 0.0 0.0 0.0 0.3 1.8 2.0 1.8 0.5 1.0 0.3 2.0 3.8
Fabricio Oberto 2 7.1 0.5 1.0 50.0 0.0 0.0 0.0 0.5 1.0 50.0 0.0 1.5 1.5 0.0 1.0 0.5 0.5 1.0 1.5
Total 38.0 76.0 50.0 8.0 19.0 42.1 22.8 29.5 77.1 9.0 29.8 38.8 21.3 13.0 6.3 6.5 23.3 106.8

[ducks]

http://sports.yahoo.com/nba/teams/sa...ostseason_2005

[ducks]

what is scary is barru is almost at 60% shooting in the postseason!

[pache100]

wow you got that i hate tony parker out of it. Your either not very bright or intelectually dishonest irregardless there are other Spurs fans who 'hate' Tony parker because they don't suck on his nuts like you do. Please find where i hate him and get back to me..

There you go with the insults again, just because someone disagrees with you they are "intelectually dishonest" (sic) (what the does that mean, anyway, ). Just because we post or repost facts that refute your hate, we "suck on his nuts". I won't be getting back to you. I have read and responded your insults for the last time. You don't want a "discussion". You want to beat people over the head with your opinion until they agree with you...ain't gonna happen.

[tomati 9]

yeah you're right, tony parker has nothing to do with the fact the spurs won 2 rings in 3 years

[implacable44]

Andre Miller 4 37.8 6.8 14.8 45.8 0.0 0.0 0.0 3.3 3.8 86.7 1.5 2.5 4.0 7.0 3.8 1.0 0.3 2.3 16.8


Tony Parker 4 33.5 7.8 16.0 48.4 0.0 0.8 0.0 4.8 5.0 95.0 0.5 2.5 3.0 5.3 3.3 1.3 0.0 2.3 20.3


tony is shotting better then miller also and averaging 4 more points a game in the playoffs

well miller gets 1 more board about2 more assists which puts his point contribution just about even with tony's.

okay hinrich :

4 4 38.3 mpg. 453 fg% .471 3p% .862 ft%. 00 off. 2.80 def. 2.80 reb. 8.8 asts. 1.25 steals .25 blocks 3.75 TO 4.50 PF 22.8 PPG

blows tony away.

[implacable44]

yeah you're right, tony parker has nothing to do with the fact the spurs won 2 rings in 3 years

sure he does -- all the spurs do -

[George Gervin's Afro]

yeah you're right, tony parker has nothing to do with the fact the spurs won 2 rings in 3 years

well since speedy claxton was on the floor for the entire 4th qtr of game 6 in the finals i accept your apology. throw in tony parker had 1 basket in the second half of game 7 please send the sorry real quci!

[George Gervin's Afro]

There you go with the insults again, just because someone disagrees with you they are "intelectually dishonest" (sic) (what the does that mean, anyway, ). Just because we post or repost facts that refute your hate, we "suck on his nuts". I won't be getting back to you. I have read and responded your insults for the last time. You don't want a "discussion". You want to beat people over the head with your opinion until they agree with you...ain't gonna happen.

so you could not find where i said i hated him... oh sorry is pointing out your ignorance an insult..

[ducks]

well miller gets 1 more board about2 more assists which puts his point contribution just about even with tony's.

okay hinrich :

4 4 38.3 mpg. 453 fg% .471 3p% .862 ft%. 00 off. 2.80 def. 2.80 reb. 8.8 asts. 1.25 steals .25 blocks 3.75 TO 4.50 PF 22.8 PPG

blows tony away.

he is avergaing more assist shooting a lower %
but how many other members of the bulls have as money assist as the other spur players

spurs usually average around 20 assist a night boutons pointed that out the other night

[ducks]

well miller gets 1 more board about2 more assists which puts his point contribution just about even with tony's.

okay hinrich :

4 4 38.3 mpg. 453 fg% .471 3p% .862 ft%. 00 off. 2.80 def. 2.80 reb. 8.8 asts. 1.25 steals .25 blocks 3.75 TO 4.50 PF 22.8 PPG

blows tony away.

Andres Nocioni blows all the other spur players away expect for duncan