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41 starts - 21.5mpg - 7.2ppg - 6.5rpg - 1.1bpg - .9apg
I expect a trade in the next few days from the Knicks- opening up a roster spot for Butler. You know- send out more guys than you take back.
41 starts - 21.5mpg - 7.2ppg - 6.5rpg - 1.1bpg - .9apg
Having watched about ten Knick games last year I'd take Butler over Nazr or Rasho in a heartbeat and think that once he has the Spurs system a little under his belt he's a more capable starter than either of those two. I'd love to see Dirk trying to handle Butler in the box.
That sounds like the movie I just watched with my kids last night: Leroy and S ch.
The Aloha you give comes back to you.
No doubt they're trying it. Unfortunately, there are two types of players on Knick payroll: extremely expensive 'veterans' or inexpensive hustling young talent. The first are difficult to bundle into trades, the second are what everyone wants and they don't want to give up. The question would be, do they want Butler over Nate Robinson, David Lee, Channing Frye, etc.?
It's also likely in a big trade, because their pieces are so unattractive, the Knicks will need to take on even more salary than they have. They may dump a Francis or a Q-Richardson, but it'll be to take on a Kenyon Martin.
I agree, there's a trade coming, but I don't know if it's enough.
Thomas and the Knicks are not going to use their MLE on anyone.
Thomas has already stated that he likes his team as it is, and that the only free agents he is going to sign are his own....if he signs anyone it might be from their summer leagues...but, no one is getting a piece of the MLE.
Everyone knows that the Knicks will take the max amount of time in their decision no matter what. They could have already made the decision to keep him or let him go but they aren't going to give away their hand until the bitter end.
Most teams in the league will do that because otherwise, they are painting huge targets on their RFAs. They have to have a rep of making it difficult to steal their free agents.
If you want to plunder someone's roster, do you go for the class organization that makes immediate decisions and minimizes risk by not tying up your money for a week or do you go for the organization that is notorious for waiting until 15 minutes before the deadline whether they intend to keep the player or not?
For a similar quality player, you go with the easy target. The Nuggets don't want Elson but they'll probably still wait until at least day five if not six or seven. Isiah is the type of guy who wants people to know that they can't pull one over on him (even though the opposite has been proven). He'll wait the max.
Plus Isiah is probably pissed that he is known for (among other things) trading a key championship piece (debatable) to the Spurs and getting back an atrocious contract (not really that bad) for a player that hasn't produced.
I can't imagine what it'd be like if the waiting window was still 14 days.
Considering our other alternatives, your hair would prematurely gray, you'd spend most of the day cursing and mumbling to yourself and you'd have a bruised and bloody forehead from banging it on the wall and keyboard.
I really like this move by Pop and RC. I believe it will pan out in the end. Whats funny is how much people are giving the FO with their recent moves for Elsen and Butler, but people don't take into consideration players in the league right now that have flourished with a change of scenery. Look at Billups for example...he bounced from team to team before he found a situation that brought the best out in him... , look at Jermaine O'neil as well. Granted Jermaine was still a pup when he went to the Pacers and had a great upside. I am not saying that I think either of these bigs will become elite players in the league, but if anyone can get them to raise their game, and realize their pull potential, it is Pop and TD.
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I think I'm in with a lot of people on the board that is bewildered by the Elson signing. Why then? Couldn't they wait? Why for that much money...? I doubt Elson is going to suddenly flourish in a new system. He's a mediocrity.I really like this move by Pop and RC. I believe it will pan out in the end. Whats funny is how much people are giving the FO with their recent moves for Elsen and Butler, but people don't take into consideration players in the league right now that have flourished with a change os scenery.
But most everyone is excited by Jackie Butler's prospects. We're hedging our expectations, however, due to his phantom nature. We've gotten our little hearts stomped on this summer, we don't want to get attached to a career Knick.
Acquiring Butler would go a ways to coloring this offseason much brighter.
WOW, does KSAT 12 read these forums??
I just posted in another thread this...
Did anyone just see KSAT 12 at noon? Very intresting about Butler, they said the Knicks are having a hard time matching the offer becuase they only want to give him $900.000 a year while the spurs are offering $2million a year! AND one of the inside guys who wanted to sign Butler for the Knicks NOW is on the spurs. Very intrested.
NBA draftnet review when he was 19. He seems to have addressed some of the flaws in his game since then and as a Spur starter at the age of 21 will probalby be a 10ppg 8 rpg player. With his youth and continued development he could easily be a 20ppg 12 rpg player in 2-3 years. His upside is actually better than any Euro player including Javtokas, Scola or Mahini.
Strength: A real physical specimen at the tender age of 19. Has slimed down and built muscle. His strength allows him to put himself wherever he wants in the post.. Has great hands downlow and anything that goes his way he gets ahold of. His post game is developing, if he can improve in this area, he's got a chance to be a 12 year NBA player. Very athletic and gets down the court pretty well for a big man when he wants to. Looks like a young Elton Brand the way he hits the offensive boards and finds position for rebounds. His huge wingspan (7 foot) makes him a bigger player than he is.
Weaknesses: Post game is still very raw and needs work. In high school he could use his strength to get whenever he needed to (that won't be the case in the NBA). Footwork also needs improvement.... Could have done himself some good by going to college however he should still be drafted. At times he's very inconsistent and lazy on defense, especially in transition. Needs to work harder and get into better shape.
Note: He is 19 years old, he attended a prep school for 1 year.
-Rob Salvador (Draftcamp warrior) -- 6/16/04
The same source said there is a "50-50 chance" that Butler won't return.
He slimed down?Has slimed down
... eeeeewwww.
Looks like a young Elton Brand the way he hits the offensive boards and finds position for rebounds. His huge wingspan (7 foot) makes him a bigger player than he is.
oh for the love of pete, do not match this kid.........
This song came to mind when you said this:
Junk Food Junkie
Larry Groce
You know I love that organic cooking
I always ask for more
And they call me Mr Natural
On down to the health food store
I only eat good sea salt
White sugar don't touch my lips
And my friends is always begging me
To take them on macrobiotic trips
Yes, they are
Oh, but at night I stake out my strong box
That I keep under lock and key
And I take it off to my closet
Where nobody else can see
I open that door so slowly
Take a peek up north and south
Then I pull out a Hostess Twinkie
And I pop it in my mouth
Yeah, in the daytime I'm Mr Natural
Just as healthy as I can be
But at night I'm a junk food junkie
Good lord have pity on me
Well, at lunchtime you can always find me
At the Whole Earth Vitamin Bar
Just sucking on my plain white yogurt
From my hand thrown pottery jar
And sippin' a little hand pressed cider
With a carrot stick for dessert
And wiping my face in a natural way
On the sleeve of my peasant shirt
Oh, yeah
Ah, but when that clock strikes midnight
And I'm all by myself
I work that combination on my secret hideaway shelf
And I pull out some Fritos corn chips
Dr Pepper and an ole Moon Pie
Then I sit back in glorious expectation
Of a genuine junk food high
Oh yeah, in the daytime I'm Mr Natural
Just as healthy as I can be
Oh, but at night I'm a junk food junkie
Good lord have pity on me
My friends down at the commune
They think I'm pretty neat
Oh, I don't know nothing about arts and crafts
But I give 'em all something to eat
I'm a friend to old Euell Gibbons
And I only eat home grown e
I got a John Keats autographed Grecian urn
Filled up with my brown rice
Yes, I do
Oh, folks but lately I hae been spotted
With a Big Mac on my breath
Stumbling into a Colonel Sanders
With a face as white as death
I'm aftraid someday they'll find me
Just stretched out on my bed
With a handful of Pringles potato chips
And a Ding Dong by my head
In the daytime I'm Mr Natural
Just as healthy as I can be
But at night I'm a junk food junkie
Good lord have pity on me
The Knicks completed summer league Thursday, finishing 4-1. Nate Robinson, David Lee and Channing Frye (who's time here was limited) all looked like what they are -- legit NBA players -- in pretty much having their way with the compe ion.I think we actually have a shot at getting Butler for a couple reasons.The Knicks already have 14 players under contract, and Thomas is finding it hard to justify signing Butler for $7 million when he could be the team's third-string center behind Eddy Curry and Jerome James.
1) Isnt Butler really the 4th string C behind Curry, James and Frye? Why would you match for a 4th string big man?
2) The Knicks are supposed to play a fast paced game next year i.e. small ball.
3) Butler doesn’t want to play there.
4) Frye is really being hyped up in NY as a great young talent.
This guy is hte second coming..........
Zeke can't exactly pitch it to Dolan this way, but Butler is really third string, because Jerome James sucks.
My take on this seeming reversal rumor? Isaiah's initial reaction was visceral, so he told people they were matching. Then, he talked to Dolan...
*nods*
yep
considering that the knicks are going to be over the cap for eternity, he got two 1st round picks in exchange for a year of nazr mohammed. not really that bad when you look at it that way.
The Knicks don't mind the Nazr trade. It might have helped them more than us, actually, since they got a good locker room guy, David Lee, and Marty Collins (eh.) out of it. They also would have lost Nazr about the time we did.
To think, your team's future rests in my hands
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