I wouldn't say foregone conclusion to Udrih and Butler being gone. But now is the time they have some last minor value. The Spurs are done with Udrih and he's cheap and has some upside. I don't think they intend to completely wear out his value. Butler is still a big guy with unknown upside that might appeal to someone who needs a body. Getting rid of him depends on how they do getting another big man in this year.
I'd say it's 95% likely Udrih is traded, 50% or so Butler is traded.
What about this guy?
http://nbadraft.net/admincp/profiles/gabepruitt.html
NBADraft.net has him going to the Spurs and compares him to Devin Harris. Besides having good size for a PG, he has blazing speed and is a solid defender, and unlike Harris he has some shooting range. He sounds like a young Chauncey Billups.
let's say it different. Spurs will try very hard to move them and not look for huge compensation in return.
Butler might have some value left, something that would change if he spends another year on the inactive list.
Beno might be swaped with another underachiver, when both teams hope that the other player will flourish in their system.
of course it is not sure that they are gone, but I see the chances much higher than that we will see them again next season.
edit: just saw the Body already argued the same way I did. so just a duplication of thoughts.
I like Pruitt and as a back-up PG he'd be a good investment. I think he pulls out if he looks like a 2nd round pick and I don't see the Spurs drafting a back-up PG in the 1st round. If they pull a PG in the 2nd draft it will need to be a senior, I think, like Bobby Brown or Zabian Dowdell.
If the Spurs snag a guy like this, then it's a certainty that Beno is gone. Having a guy that can play both guard positions would certainly be an asset. If he falls to the Spurs with their #33 pick, he'd be worth a look....assuming the Spurs already got Dominic McGuire in the first (j/k)
I'm personally still holding out hope that one of the two international SGs falls to the Spurs. It would be a luxury to have the option of leaving them overseas for just one season while Barry and Fin play out the last year of their contracts...of course, they could also be with the team in 2007.
I really do think that the spurs would offer Bonner a 2-3 year contract worth 3 mill. this summer. Remember Horry would be getting 3.6 mill next year if he plays (these 2 players are comparible in minutes and production).
The good thing about Beno & Butler is that those are 2 positions that teams will likely give up something for, young PG's & young centers, especially on cheap contracts. SF's & SG's are a dime a dozen in this league. I would look for the Spurs to use one or both of them to get a pick(s) from a team(s) that is under the cap.
Horry is also super-clutch and without him, the Spurs are not 2005 NBA champions. You can make the comparison when Bonner does the same this year....
If the spurs do buyout Oberto (which I pray for) then scola is a real option to come over and play the 4 or 5. Lets not forget that Pop is from the school of Larry brown and rookies just do not play very much. Whoever gets drafted will only see limited time on the court.
Its hard to blame bonner for playing on crappy teams thus not being able to play many playoff games to make any big shots. I do agree that horry is super clutch shooter but I believe his time has passed (hopefully after this post season) and I would never compare the two in pressure moments because few players in the NBA's history has hit as many clutch shots as Horry.
I'm not blaming Bonner for not being clutch or not being given the opportunity. What I'm saying is that the Spurs gave Horry a relatively bloated contract (by Spurs standard) because he was their hero in 2005. IMO, it will take a similarly strong showing in the playoffs by Bonner to secure more than $2-3M per year.
I think the two events are somewhat interconnected. If the Spurs work out a contract agreement with Scola over the summer, that will free up a spot with Tau and should give Fab a place to go back to once a buyout is worked out.
What is the precedent of buying out contracts like that? Does it still count against the cap in the same way? I understand it's happened for international players before, like Macijauskas, just don't know the costs.
What about this team for 2007-2008:
1. TP-JV-rookie or FA
2. Barry-Manu
3. Bowen-Finley
4. TD-Bonner- Scola or Oberto
5. FE-Rookie or FA
I keep trying to fit white on this team but it just doesnt look good for him to make the team next year (possible reserve next year again)
yavo- I think Barry is gone this summer. Just my gut. With one year left on his contract and some appeal, I think he's gone.
That said, even if he stays it looks about right for now, although as sketchy as we can imagine, not knowing who will be drafted, etc.
As I've said before, I think there will be two pretty good rookies coming in, and one of those could be Scola. But my gut also says Scola will be somewhere else next year (in the NBA).
There is still room for White in your run-down, if at the end of the bench.
Yea, I agree with Body on that, Im pretty sure that Barry will be gone, leaving room for Fin dog to move back to sg, thus clearing up a spot for White to get some minutes (barring who we draft). I agree with Tony about the 2 international sgs coming out, and I really like Bellineli, although I have seen some mocks with him going pretty high. I also reallly hope that we get rid of Oberto, and I am hoping that Butler will step up in the off season and claim those minute, so that we dont nessecarily have to draft a big (although a young pf would be nice). Lets just hope we get at least one rookie in this years draft that can contribute immediately
The question is, who does Barry go for? I'm not sure. There will be a lot of players jarring loose from various teams the Spurs might take a look at. Pietrus is one of several odd-men-out in GS, Nocioni looks more likely to change addresses this summer than he did a few months ago, and Gerald Wallace might walk away from Charlotte. I still think Chicago is a very good fit for Scola, and think he will be traded.
So... the old Barry+Udrih package? Barry+Butler? Barry+Scola?
I think the Spurs will be determined to move up in the draft and think they'll try to bundle up their first with Scola, like usual, and maybe even put the Milwaukee pick in there with it.
How much would you guys let go in order to get Corey Brewer/other? First round+Scola+Milwaukee? First round+Scola+Milwaukee+future first? How much will it take?
How about First round+Scola+future first, draft Brewer, then Derrick Byars falls to the Milwaukee pick? What do you think?
The reasons I don't see Barry getting traded:
1. He has the ability to shoot 3s and can handle the ball very well. Don't forget, the Spurs were waivering on giving him up fo Corey Maggette because they valued these attributes so much.
2. He is a $6M expiring contract. The Spurs have been hesitant to offer big, long-term contracts ostensibly to be in a position to bid more than the MLE for a potential free agent in 2008. It won't be loads of money, but whoever the Spurs get in return for Barry would likely be diminishing that figure for 2008.
3. Who is a trading partner and what do the Spurs get in return for dishing Barry?
I just think that Barry still holds value as a player and as a contract.
I really think that a team like the Cavs would love a package of Brent and Beno, they could use both of those guys badly. Get back a guy like Pavlovic. Varejao will also be a fa, and he is definately a guy I would like to see the Spurs go after, he probably wont be too expensive, and we could use him.
Or maybe the same package to a team like the Hawks who could use both guys for someone like CHildress. Even Detroit would be a team that could use those guys, who knows, but there are definately teams that could use a true point and a 3 point specialist
I don't really trust those mock drafts because they're based on a talent-level evaluation rather than team needs. I also think there is some disparity between the websites on a few players, so it's hard to tell where their stock is. The reason I like Chad Ford's top 100 is that it gives a general range for players to be taken in. Here's the list of SGs in/around the area of Belinelli/Fernandez:
Nick Young
Brandon Rush
Rodney Stuckey
Dequan Cook
Trey Johnson
Morris Almond
Young, Rush, and Stuckey were classified in the "Mid-Late First Round" and the rest (INCLUDING BELINELLI AND FERNANDEZ) were classified in the "Late First, Early Second" category. There's still alot to be determined as far a who will declare and even then there are pre-draft camps, individual workouts, etc.
Those things can change a player's draft stock significantly...especially with certain teams. Some teams will value Almond's size, others will value Stuckey's versatility, others Young's moxy, others Rush's defense...and on and on.
It'll be interesting to see, but I think it's possible one of those two falls to, or near, the Spurs.
You can say as much as you want that Beno/Butler will be traded this summer but for the moment they are under contract for the next year with a guaranteed contract.
You can imagine a lot of scenario where they are traded but facts are that under contract and that Spurs have tried to trade them without success at the deadline. Even if in some fantasy offseason plan, it's nice to dump them to open a roster spot, the reality is that there is a good chance to see them with a Spurs jersey next year.
The only for sure guys I see being moved are beno and butler. Possible that scola could be moved if no agreement is reached. Unlikely that barry is going anywhere. Of the 4-5 draft picks I only see the spurs using 2 for players and the 2-3 used on trades. If unable to find takers for a trade they will simply draft someone we have never heard of and develop those players overseas.
Well put Bruno. It's easy to see alot of these trade scenarios, but it's unrealistic to make predictions about future rosters based on them being traded or cut.
Of course they are, but there has been interest in Udrih in the past, and a smattering for Butler. They're both very inexpensive contract-wise and especially in the case of Beno, it will be addition by subtraction. There are teams out there that badly, badly need PGs, such as Atlanta and LAC, with Cassell done and Livingston perhaps out all next year. Beno is a decent option for at least a back-up and I'm sure the Clippers would have traded for a guy like him if Livingston blew out his knee a week earlier. Are we placing money here that he'll be traded? No. Are we guessing what team he'd be traded to? No. But some of us are speculating a high chance he gets moved. Not for much, but moved. No one is predicting the future, but we're guessing what might happen.
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