Why "for sure" on Beno? If the Spurs don't have a third PG in the fold, why would they trade/cut Beno, who is a cheap third option? Again, if they wanted to trade/cut him, they had plenty of opportunity to do so at the deadline....obviously they don't want to get rid of him and get nothing in return. IMO, a 2009 second rounder won't do it.
There is a decent chance Beno stays on the roster, sure, but I believe the Spurs are committed to finding another home for him. He's simply not working here. They could hang on to him for the deadline.
Your thoughts on Barry are pretty good. I wonder if the Spurs will take on salary in order to get their future SF starter, or how tenacious and exclusive this whole 2008 Plan is.
Ok, good point. Nothing is for sure, I should have said "probable". I say this cause Beno is to be payed 1.7 mil next year and vaughn has proven his worth this year as back up pg for 1 mill. If we can resign JV for 1.25 or 1.5 and get a young pg through the draft or FA then this free's up cash for other positions such SF or C. I just do not see the spurs doubling up Beno's contract the way he played this year and if it takes a 2nd rd pick in 2009 this so be it.
I think we'll see how tenacious and exclusive this 2008 plan is during this upcoming off-season. If the Spurs use part or all of their mid-level (especially to bring Scola over) and give Bonner an new contract at a higher price, then I would expect them to make more moves. If they aren't going to be more than $5M over, then it's more advantageous to be over the cap come 2008....then they'll at least get the MLE. We'll see....
On Beno, I'm not saying that the Spurs won't change their position on him, especially if they're able to snag a decent replacement via the draft or FA....but last I heard, the Spurs were not giving up Beno for nothing (aka late second rounder).
I've done and seen a lot of people doing offseason plans and the main conclusion was that they were almost more trades in a "fantasy" offseason plan than in the real offseason.
Take Butler or Beno case : I agree with you that it seems that they are a waste of roster spot. I agree with you that some teams could be interested by them because they are young and with cheap expiring contracts. I agree with you that they should be traded. But will they ? Trading them is easier on a message board than in reality. Spurs will have to find a team that like them and that offer something Spurs like for them, not that easy. I'm not saying that they won't be traded but it's a reach to say that Spurs will have an extra roster spot because they will be gone.
BTW, Hawks still have 3 PGs better than Beno (Lue, Johnson and Speedy) : I don't see them being interested in another PG if he hasn't the talent to be a good starting PG.
The only thing I'll add is that your evalution, or mine, or Mr. Body's, or anyone else not in a position to determine the future of players currently on the Spurs roster, is irrelevant. It's fun to play "If I were Spurs GM for a day", but in reality, we just have to roll with whatever decisions the Spurs make and hope for the best.
Having said that....if the Spurs don't get Rudy Fernandez and Dominic McGuire with the first two picks, sign Scola, re-up Bonner, get rid of Oberto/Beno, develop Butler & White, and sign a decent FA in 2008....I will be pissed, b/c that's what I'd do!
Now we get to what this thread is about! The only problem I'd see with your plan is that McGuire IMO pulls out if he's headed for the second round. Maybe we can hope for a boneheaded move and he stays in, thinking he's going in the 20s? I'll take Byars if that doesn't happen.
Word to your turd, Byars is the best option at where we are going to pick, and he very well might slip into the early second round if someone better falls to us in the 1st. He could be the Bowen replacment with a MUCH better offensive game. With that said, I really hope the Spurs make a run at Verajao in the offseason, he would be a perfect fit.
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I think he's already got one foot in the door with his initial interest, and he's likely to have some really good workouts....so I think he'll be persuaded to sign an agent and make it official even without a guarantee. What does he really have to go back to...Fresno State?
The other note is that the Spurs have a top 3/4 second round pick...it's not like he'd fall drastically.
On the topic of guys declaring but not hiring agents....is this something that's happening alot more often of late, or is it just getting more publicity? IMO, it actually hurts the player's stock to be so non-commital and not to have a person that can "sell" you to prospective teams. Granted an agent will fill their heads with bull , but they might actually be able to back it up.
I have nothing against the "I'm a GM game". My point was more that a real GM has more constraints than a fantasy GM. If you do a fantasy offseason plan with tons of moves/trades, it's not really realistic.
It's possible that Varajao's stock has fallen post-deadline, but he was deemed by Cavs FO at that point to be "untouchable". He's a restricted free agent and I would think that any deal for less than the mid-level will see them match.
IMO, the Spurs should focus their efforts on getting a high-energy guy with much more offensive game than Varajao....his name is Luis Scola
Here is a pretty cool article from SI.com about the international prospects in this years draft
http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/200...cts/index.html
Thanks for that.
Man, I really like the sound of Marco from that article, and Rudy, both sound great. Although I havnt seen any of Rudy, Marco looked great in this last years Olympics, and his youtubes vids are great
To get Brewer, I'd give all that and the left nut. Problem is, I think he goes top 10 (especially with that game against UCLA) and I don't see the Spurs putting enough together to get that far up.
But if the Spurs got Brewer, there'd be no need for Byars.
Rudy was shooting lights out earlier in the year, but he's had a less-than-impressive Euroleague playoff run and I think that might hurt his stock. He also has buyout concerns, and injury concerns (a la Manu w/ the skinny frame and hard style of play). I think he still goes first round, but these are my reasons to think he has the potential to slip on draft day.
Bring on El Contusion Numero Dos!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dXAucLSrYv8
Pretty sweet Rudy vid, but I still like Marco a lot. He reminds me of Manu quite a bit
I'm also a fan of McGuire and his gaudy 9.8 rebound/game average. If you're gonna go small-ball, you might as well do it right!
He had 13 or more rebounds 9 times last year, and 4 plus blocks 15 times, including on Dec. 30th against San Diego, where he had 14 points, 14 boards, 10 blocks, 4 assists, and a steal. What a beast
If McGuire is so awesome, why is he projected by some as late as the early second round?
It's only really one season of data, his production is nearly double what it was before his transfer (why?), he played at Fresno St. and not some big-time program, and he's got limited range on his jumper...especially out to three-point range.
He is what he is...a very athletic defensive-minded combo Forward with good potential, but needs considerable work on the offensive end.
What I like about him is his versatility (ability to play small-ball 4), defense, and rebounding...but I admit he'd probably go on the Stephen Jackson plan.
Would any team take something along the lines of Bonner, Beno, and Spurs 1st rounder for their own top 10 pick? I'd love to have someone like Brewer, who's ready to step in and contribute.
No. Bonner and Beno are essentially worthless in terms of trading up in the draft. Bonner won't even be under contract, anyway.
Getting into the top 10 is likely impossible, which is where Brewer will be. But the Spurs' first, their Milwaukee pick, plus Scola, might be able to get them into the late teens.
Brewer would be ing incredible as a Spur, but alas will be out of range.
yes. but some weeks ago it looked as if there could be a chance, if Spurs trade up AND he slips because of a bad tournament and they meet between 15 and 20.
now we know that no other player has helped his stock as much as Brewer in the tournament, he is now ranked as a sure top 10 pick.
my prediction is, that the Blazers pick him with their (currently) no.7 pick. it just makes to much sense.
the Blazers have a very nice young line up and despite the number of SFs on their roster, a quality (starting calibre) defensive minded SF is the missing piece alongside Jack-Roy-Zach-Aldridge.
Brewer could be exactly what they once hoped Miles would be.
I would be very surprised if the Blazers pass on Brewer.
(but if they did, Seattle at 8 might be next in line)
to answer the question: yes I would give every pick + Scola rights + Mahinmi rights for Brewer anytime. but unfortunatly even this won't do it.
our realistic best case scenario will be the mentioned Derrick Byars. it is interesting, that his rankings in the mock are very different. some see him as a mid 1st rounder, some even as a 2nd rounder.
so it is hard to predict, if it would be necessary to trade up to get him. (I think it would be, he should go in the early 20ies). but some teams will pass on him, because they doubt his athleticismn and don't give so much value to the intangibles. Spurs do as we know and Spurs also are not sold on athleticismn in the first place.
I still don't think that we should sacrifice Buck's 2nd rounder to trade up.
if Spurs try to trade up, they should offer next years 1st rounder + 2nd rounder (this year or future).
right now I can see a best case scenario of Spurs getting Byars with the 1st rounder and McGuire with the Buck's 2nd rounder.
if we can't get Byars with the 1st rounder, there is a good chance we get McGuire with that pick. he would provide the athleticismn and size, so the other pick could be Afflalo or Tucker. or the best big who is there (Visser, Davis, Fazekas?)
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