Spurs' future draft picks

[AFBlue]

there might be a scenario like this and if an interesting player (interesting for another team) falls to the Buck's pick, this could be a nice teaser when packed with Barry.
some teams don't have a single pick in this draft (Cavs, Nuggets, Pacers) or own only late 2nd rounder (Raptors), or don't have a 2nd rounder (Knicks, Kings,Hawks, Bobcats, Grizzlies, Heat). for all these teams the Buck's pick should be somehow interesting, considering the deep draft.

S&T for Gerald Wallace involving Barry and one of the first two picks? A man can dream can't he...

[mountainballer]

S&T for Gerald Wallace involving Barry and one of the first two picks? A man can dream can't he...

I didn't post this proposal, because I was afraid to be called clueless again. but yes, that's the kind of dream I would spend some sleep on.
(and I would add some more to the package if needed, in fact everything outside TNT)

a S&T scenario that would work IMO is, Barry+2nd rounder for MoPete (who signs for example a 3 years MLE type contract). well, maybe this would work also without adding the pick, but if the pick was included, Colangelo wouldn't say no.

and, just to mentione the third that comes to mind: S&T for Posey. Miami have a 1st rounder, but considering their aging roster and all the expiring contracts they have, they will like getting another pick. (Posey won't resign with them anyhow)

[Mr. Body]

Interesting scenarios. Brewer/Green may indeed be out of our boundaries and it will suck to see someone pick them up who already has one or two good SFs on the team. Maybe the likely route is to pull an established veteran - I would like to see Barry go this summer, finally traded. I'm not sure who is available at #28, but with guys like Glen Davis already declaring, this could be a very interesting draft. I'm guessing Brandon Rush plays his way out of our grasp, but there will be other guys that drop down. And that Milwaukee pick is aces. What a nice thing to have. The only way to this up for the FO is to sit back and do the stuff they've been doing the last few years. This is the absolutely wrong year to try and punt the draft picks.

[mountainballer]

I'm not sure who is available at #28, but with guys like Glen Davis already declaring, this could be a very interesting draft.

would you pick Davis with our 1st rounder?
he is a bit of a miracle, bcause noone can really tell how he will do in the NBA. he is a great guy, but I wouldn't risk the 1st rounder on him, we already have Butler as a player, who might have had a better career as a defensive lineman.

maybe he would also be an option for the 2nd rounder, if he is still on the board at 35.

[Mr. Body]

No, I wouldn't take Davis, but I meant that somebody would. The more underclassmen come out, the better our chances someone floats to us. I probably would consider him at 35.

[mountainballer]

No, I wouldn't take Davis, but I meant that somebody would. The more underclassmen come out, the better our chances someone floats to us. I probably would consider him at 35.

yes, I see.
combined with what I ment (that many teams picking ahead of us are filled with athletic wing players) every decent big who declares helps us. (goes also for PGs, there are only a few decent in this draft, those who are will likely be picked a bit higher).
looking at the current board, all non lottery picks before the Spurs pick are owned by teams that don't have SF as no. 1 need, most needed a PG and a big more than a wing. you mentioned Brandon Rush. he might be one of thoses players who will slip to our draft area. (if he declares)
in other years he would go 15-20 (I don't think teams see him as a lottery pick) but this year he will be there at 28 IMO.

[Mr. Body]

There is only a slight chance Oden or Durant stays for another year. That's two.

If you look at the very best teams, how many players come from them might depend on how far they go. A team winning it all and sticking together, like Florida last year, is rare, and even a deep run can convince guys to come out.

Florida: Horford, Brewer, Noah
UNC: Hansbrough, Wright, Lawson?
UCLA: Collison?
Kansas: Wright, Rush, Arthur
Georgetown: Hibbert, Green

Then add Al Thornton, Yi Jianlin, Acie Law, and you basically have a lottery right there, minus one or two players (Rush projected later, etc.). And that's not accounting for Tiago Splitter, Marcus Williams, and guys like Aaron Gray, who some team will take too high. And it doesn't account for Thaddeus Young, Javaris Crittendon, and other underclassmen who will probably stay in.

That's pretty amazing. Unfortunately, the Spurs are about 8 picks out of making any real hay, but will make for an unusually intriguing draft.

[mountainballer]

There is only a slight chance Oden or Durant stays for another year. That's two.

If you look at the very best teams, how many players come from them might depend on how far they go. A team winning it all and sticking together, like Florida last year, is rare, and even a deep run can convince guys to come out.

Florida: Horford, Brewer, Noah
UNC: Hansbrough, Wright, Lawson?
UCLA: Collison?
Kansas: Wright, Rush, Arthur
Georgetown: Hibbert, Green

Then add Al Thornton, Yi Jianlin, Acie Law, and you basically have a lottery right there, minus one or two players (Rush projected later, etc.). And that's not accounting for Tiago Splitter, Marcus Williams, and guys like Aaron Gray, who some team will take too high. And it doesn't account for Thaddeus Young, Javaris Crittendon, and other underclassmen who will probably stay in.

That's pretty amazing. Unfortunately, the Spurs are about 8 picks out of making any real hay, but will make for an unusually intriguing draft.

I think 8 players are lottery bound (Oden, Durant, B.Wright, J.Wright, Noah, Horford, Jianlian, Hawes) and 6 out of this 8 are likely also in the lottery (Law, Hibbert, Thornton, Brewer, T. Young, Splitter, J. Green, Budinger) always assuming all declare. (Budinger and T. Young might not declare, they have a nice chance to become a top 5 pick in 2008)
on the lottery bubble I see Fernandez, Thabet, Hansbrough, McRoberts, M. Williams, N.Young, D.James, Belinelli. workouts will be crucial for them.
one or two out of this group will for sure fall to our area.

so the group of our 2 picks will be: Tucker, Affalo, Almond, B.Rush, Stuckey, J.Smith, G.Davis, Gray, Visser Fazekas, Dudley, McGuire, Hill, Nichols, Gasol, S.Williams. (and some more of course)

IMO the most likely to slip out of group 2 are Splitter and Jeff Green. in the case of Green I agree with you, that we are about 8 picks out of the big hit. he is a great player, but I'm sure he will slip, if the Wolves don't pick him at 12. (before that pick, there are to many better players on the board). the following teams just don't need a player like him, next possible takers might be Heat at 18 and then Knicks at 20. if a miracle happens, he then falls to our hands. (very very unlikely, but if we had a no. 20 pick, he might be there)

about Rush, who you mentioned several times. I think he is also one of the players who might slip, maybe even to our pick. he isn't a talent in the Julian Wright mold and most teams already have one or two players like him on their roster. I can easily see him slip to the end of 1st round.
if he was there when we pick, he would be the perfect steal.
(even if he might not be able to provide immediat help in the first year like Tucker, Almond or Nichols could)

[Winery]

I'm happy that we have an opportunity to get younger talent in this draft. Our bench is gettin older. We'l have alot of options. I'm hoping for an above average sf.

[mountainballer]

I guess Shakur won't be an option any more. (he was mentioned as a possible 2nd round pick, also by me).
he still lacks a lot, especially in areas Pop usually is very demanding. (basketball IQ etc.)

on the other hand I like the idea of picking Tucker with the first rounder more and more.
he had a bad start yesterday, but worked his way back into the game and showed once again that he is Spurs material in terms of leadership and intangibles.
and he easily makes up for the 2 inch he is to shorter than the average NBA SF.
if Rush is gone, when the Spurs pick, Tucker would be my next wish player and the chance is there, that he will be on the board.
IMO the worst case for him would be that he turns into a Trenton Hassell like player, what would be still a great asset to have on the bench.
or he turns into a Desmond Mason with better understanding of the game.
if he was 6-7 or 6-8, he would for sure be a top 15 pick. but at 6-5 we will have the chance that he falls to our hands.

[Mr. Body]

Dominic McGuire is declaring for the draft this year.

http://www.draftexpress.com/viewarticle.php?a=1934

[mardigan]

Sweet s, kids has a ton of up-side. By the way Body, have you watched Derrick Byars so far in the tourney? Kid is amazing

[Mr. Body]

Sweet s, kids has a ton of up-side. By the way Body, have you watched Derrick Byars so far in the tourney? Kid is amazing

I have. He may even slip into the second round, which would be fantastic. That Milwaukee pick could be aces.

[mardigan]

If he keeps dropping 20 plus point games on everyone, I dont think he will be in the second, but that would be awesome

[Mr. Body]

If he keeps dropping 20 plus point games on everyone, I dont think he will be in the second, but that would be awesome

Probably not, but there will be Nick Young and Morris Almond and Alando Tucker, etc., all fighting for the same spots. He'll probably be late 1st round.

[mardigan]

Byars line from Washington ST. game-27 points on 9-20 shooting(5-9 from 3s, 4-4 fts), 5 boards, 3 steals, 2 assists, and 1 block. Cant wait to see him in the silver and black

[Bruno]

Given that people have started to speak about draft prospects in this thread, I've edited the first post to give some infos about this year draft.

If you want that I add some infos in thsi post or if there are some mistakes, don't hesitate.

Maybe a mod can too change the le of this thread because it's quite misleading now on the content of this thread.

[Mr. Body]

Nicely done. That's some solid information.

[mountainballer]

Probably not, but there will be Nick Young and Morris Almond and Alando Tucker, etc., all fighting for the same spots. He'll probably be late 1st round.

did you notice that currently something intriguing is happening, if all the mock rankings can be trusted. (i know that the mock isn't an exactly science)
some of the interesting wing players, who we thought will likely be out of our range are slipping (Tucker, Marcus Williams), meanwhile some of the projected 2nd half 2nd rounders are rising (Dudely, Terry, Trey Johnson, Hosley).
so it happens, that in the area where we have 2 picks, almost only wing players are ranked. what I try to say. if it in fact happens this way, the Spurs can pick from a quite impressive pool of decent talents.

btw. does anybody have some information about this Wendell White, who just destroyed Tucker and Wisconsin?
is he someone, who should be added to our list? at least it sounds as if he was the currently toughest player in college basketball.

[CosmicCowboy]

The only thing predictable about a Spurs draft is that we will have 50 threads in here the next day ing and moaning about the picks they traded away instead of taking the "next" LeBron.

[Mr. Body]

I think DX mentioned Wendell White in a 'Stock Rising' part. DX also has some good stuff on how the bottom of the round is filling with shooting guards and wings. A lot will depend on the Draft Camps, too, but there should be a log of good players still available at the end. With guys like Dominic McGuire coming in, it only helps us.

The DX article is about how most of the American lottery picks almost always are in the Sweet Sixteen of the tournament, and even top 20 picks, too. I think they say only Al Thornton is rated that high who didn't make the NCAAs.

[mathbzh]

The only thing predictable about a Spurs draft is that we will have 50 threads in here the next day ing and moaning about the picks they traded away instead of taking the "next" LeBron.

And if we ever pick a new Ginobili... In 2 years we will have hundreds of "I knew he would become a top player!!!" threads

[Mr. Body]

And if we draft another Mahinmi... we'll get threads that go "what the is taking so long" about his young and inexperienced Euroleague games. What's the point?

[mountainballer]

yes, DX has some good writers, they are also covering the Euro basketball quite well.
I think the article about the tournament (and how it sometimes leads to a wrong judgment of a player) is right, I'm just missing a point about the pressure and the crowd. if a player shows his best games in front of 30000 and more spectators in a one and done game, it does tell much about his big game abilities. at least you have an indication, that such a player won't be totally overexert with the pressure of a PO game.
McGuire looks very intriguing.
even if he didn't face the thoughest compe ion on college level, almost 10 RPG and 3.5 BPG (!) for a SF are quite impressive numbers. (numbers we would really need, especially the rebounding) sounds a bit like like Josh Smith.

[mardigan]

The Spurs should just sign Randolph Morris right now, since he is eligible to sign with a team now and not have to enter the draft, but thats another topic I suppose....





White averaged almost 15 points ands 6 boards in 27 minutes a game this last year. The thing with him is, for someone 6-6, he cant shoot the 3 (.067 ouch), and is a bad free throw shooter (67%). He plays more like a big than a guard, and that wont transfer well at the next level. He has tremendous heart and toughness. Good rebounder for his size, but not a great ball handler and will have trouble guarding fast guards at the next level. I would much rather have Byars, whos game will transfer much easier at the next level than White or Tucker.