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    Below is Chad Ford's latest regarding workouts and buzz for draft prospects.

    Of specific note...

    Shaun Williams climbing the draft boards with the Amare comparison and realization that some GMs don't put as much weight on character concerns (i.e. Villanueva going #7 to Raps two years ago).

    Big Baby Davis climbing the draft boards as a svelt 6'9 290lb F/C ( ) with soft touch.

    And finally...the positive feedback on Dudley and Afflalo being solid role players and proving their worth. Of specific note is that Afflalo came in at 6'6 225lb ( ) with a 6'9 wingspan. One conflicting note is that it didn't have him working out for the Spurs...I will investigate further.

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    Teams that have visited Houston during the past few weeks to take a look at Boston College center Sean Williams are coming back with a positive impression.

    Williams has decided not to travel to teams and instead to hold his workouts in Houston -- kind of like Yi Jianlian in Los Angeles.

    Several NBA executives came away from the workouts saying that Williams reminded them a little of Amare Stoudemire.

    "He's pretty raw offensively," one executive said. "But he's got a great body, is super-athletic, and he's the best shot-blocker in the draft. At what point does the reward outweigh the risk? That's what we're all trying to figure out. But on talent, he's a top-10 pick. Maybe higher."

    According to one executive who personally interviewed Williams, the player was candid about his dismissal from the Boston College team for smoking marijuana.

    "He said he was immature and he understood why teams had doubts about him," the executive said. "But the thing that struck me was that he said the experience of watching his team struggle without him made him realize that it was a mistake that can't happen again."

    We've been talking about Williams' range starting at No. 17 with the Nets (who desperately need a player like him) and ending in the late first round. But maybe we're being naive. A significant number of players in the NBA smoke marijuana. Most NBA executives don't believe it's a serious issue. Given Williams' talent, they may be willing to take the PR hit now to have a significant contributor down the road.

    • Glen "Big Baby" Davis continues to be a hot name in the draft.

    Davis has measured a legit 6-foot-9 in shoes, and though he weighs in at around 290, he has only about 11 percent body fat.

    "I know this sounds really weird to say about a kid this big, but he's light on his feet," one GM told me. "And he can really shoot the basketball. From a skills standpoint, I think he's one of the three or four best big guys in the draft."

    The question is obvious: Will Davis stay in shape after he gets a big deal? His agent, John Hamilton, says that everyone Davis has interviewed with has asked him the same question at every workout. His response, according to Hamilton: "I just was uneducated. I didn't understand how to eat properly."

    Hamilton sent me a DVD of Davis' workouts in Houston with John Lucas. He looks to be in good shape, is moving well and is very skilled. He could be a real draft sleeper.

    Davis has worked out for the 76ers, Nets, Bulls, Wolves, Rockets, Sonics and Wizards. He'll be in Golden State on Wednesday.

    • At this time of the year, potential often trumps production. So it's nice when a few college basketball staples hold their own in individual workouts.

    Boston College's Jared Dudley and UCLA's Arron Afflalo are drawing praise in individual workouts.

    Sources say Dudley has been red-hot shooting the ball in workouts. He's worked out for the Rockets, Nets, Knicks, Heat, Sixers, Bulls, Bobcats, Sonics and Suns. He could end up a sleeper for a team like the Sixers, Bobcats or Suns in the late 20s.

    Afflalo also has done well in workouts. He measured 6-foot-6 in socks, had a 6-foot-9 wingspan and is a muscular 225.

    "He's was a man among boys in our workout," one GM told Insider. "He's been really well-coached, shoots it well and does a lot of little things. You don't draft him to be a star, but he can fill a role for you defensively and he'll hit some big shots."

    Afflalo worked out for about a dozen teams in the Rockets' workouts in Orlando. He's also done individual workouts with the Lakers, Suns, Sixers and Jazz. He could go late in the first: No. 25 to Utah, No. 29 to the Suns or No. 30 to the Jazz.

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    any chance at that Thaddeus Young falls to the Spurs?

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    I've seen Puritt play in a half-dozen or so games over the past couple years, and he does not seem to me to be a Spurs-type player at all. He's got lots of talent, but--like his higher rated pal from USC (Young)--his work ethic and tendency to showboat means that he doesn't get the most out of it. He had a difficult time keeping eligible while at USC, and--despite his talent--was probably only the fourth or fifth best point guard in the Pac10 last year. Maybe he's changed, or will change, but, given the choice, I'd go with the Finn.

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    I just hope the Spurs don't become so intrigued with one of these bigs that they use up one of their first two picks to get him. They already have lots of options for the front court, especially if they bring over Ian and/or Scola. Plus, they need youth in the back court and wings, not the 4 and 5.
    While I tend to agree that the Spurs have bigger needs, I'll say this...

    1. Most GMs will tell you that you can never have too many bigs.

    2. None of the current F/C fodder with the Spurs or overseas are guaranteed to be "that guy" next to Tim Duncan in the next few years, so it doesn't hurt to have options.

    3. It's not even a guarantee that any of these guys pans out because of their youth, being picked mostly on projectable skills. Mahinmi could be Amare Stoudamire, or he could be in the league for 3 seasons as a d-leaguer and play in Europe for the rest of his life.


    Again, while I agree with you in principle because the Spurs already have a bunch of prospects at the 4/5, I can see why the Spurs would grab a guy like Fesenko or Stanko with the 33rd pick...especially if they address their backcourt with the first pick.

    Or it could be Koponen/Belinelli/Fernandez at #28 and a guy like Dudley or Afflalo at #33. My guess though, is that at least one of the two picks is international with the intention of staying overseas for a year.

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    any chance at that Thaddeus Young falls to the Spurs?
    After his workouts...not likely. He didn't play in a great system at GTech and didn't get to display his outside shooting. He's still a project for sure, and a tweener as well...but he showed great athleticism and shooting touch in the workouts. He has enough upside that I doubt he gets past 20...

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    I've seen Puritt play in a half-dozen or so games over the past couple years, and he does not seem to me to be a Spurs-type player at all. He's got lots of talent, but--like his higher rated pal from USC (Young)--his work ethic and tendency to showboat means that he doesn't get the most out of it. He had a difficult time keeping eligible while at USC, and--despite his talent--was probably only the fourth or fifth best point guard in the Pac10 last year. Maybe he's changed, or will change, but, given the choice, I'd go with the Finn.
    So you're willing to take a guy that you've never seen over a guy that you have seen, but hasn't impressed you?

    I don't put a whole lot of stock in comparisons, but Koponen's DX comparison (Beno Udrih) is credible to me for one reason. No, it's not that he's international. No, it's not that he's big/tall. It's that he came out of relative obscurity, played well in pre-draft camps, and suddenly we feel like we know him. Beno followed that same pattern and has not exactly set the world on fire with his play.

    On the other side you have this kid who hasn't dominated his conference or been the best guy on his team, so you look at him negatively...because you've had time to examine his limitations.

    It's unfair to say that Gabe Pruitt will be Devin Harris (NBAdraft.net comparison) or Koponen will be Beno, but I'd personally like to see the Spurs draft the guy we all (including Spurs FO) know a little more about...

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    Why wouldn't the Spurs know about Koponen?

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    Udrih had issues before the pre-draft camp: at ude issues, not fitting in with teams, bad conditioning, being injury prone. The pre-draft camp simply showed that he had NBA caliber talent (which was true).

    Koponen doesn't have the backstory, but he's done well in the camp, if not as well as Udrih did. Plus, Koponen plays for a team called the Honka Playboys. How great is that?

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    Why wouldn't the Spurs know about Koponen?
    Because no one "knew about him". That is to say that no one had him as a legitimate first-round pick with first-round talent prior to the pre-draft camps....and I doubt the Spurs were different.

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    So you're willing to take a guy that you've never seen over a guy that you have seen, but hasn't impressed you?

    I don't put a whole lot of stock in comparisons, but Koponen's DX comparison (Beno Udrih) is credible to me for one reason. No, it's not that he's international. No, it's not that he's big/tall. It's that he came out of relative obscurity, played well in pre-draft camps, and suddenly we feel like we know him. Beno followed that same pattern and has not exactly set the world on fire with his play.

    On the other side you have this kid who hasn't dominated his conference or been the best guy on his team, so you look at him negatively...because you've had time to examine his limitations.

    It's unfair to say that Gabe Pruitt will be Devin Harris (NBAdraft.net comparison) or Koponen will be Beno, but I'd personally like to see the Spurs draft the guy we all (including Spurs FO) know a little more about...
    No, I haven't seen Koponen, but--based on the evaluations that I have seen--he has several things going for him that are lacking in Pruitt: 1) he's a true point guard (P. is not, or not one yet); 2) he's evidently smart and a quick learner with a high basketball IQ; 3) he works hard; 4) he's tough. My point about Pruitt is that he's sold his talents short--or, to put it another way, that he's been an underachiever. He's had his moments, but there should have been a lot more of them, and I personally don't think that bodes well for the future. Maybe P's at ude/work ethic will change, and--if so--then he would be a very good pick. But I wouldn't bet on it.

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    Udrih had issues before the pre-draft camp: at ude issues, not fitting in with teams, bad conditioning, being injury prone. The pre-draft camp simply showed that he had NBA caliber talent (which was true).

    Koponen doesn't have the backstory, but he's done well in the camp, if not as well as Udrih did. Plus, Koponen plays for a team called the Honka Playboys. How great is that?
    Again, I don't want to suggest that Koponen is an Udrih-clone. I'm simply suggesting that it would be my preference for the Spurs to draft more of a known quan y over a player who has come out of relative obscurity to being a first-round type in less than a month if given the choice between the two....but that's just my preference.

    But, as I've said many times before, I think there are a ton of great players that the Spurs could take with the 28th and 33rd pick that I would be more than happy with...if not exstatic. It should be fun to watch it unfold...

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    Because no one "knew about him". That is to say that no one had him as a legitimate first-round pick with first-round talent prior to the pre-draft camps....and I doubt the Spurs were different.
    Eh, they had a videotape and two workouts for Parker. They'll probably have something similar for Kopponen by next week.

    With this draft, I'll be happy if we just refrain from trading away our picks.

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    Because no one "knew about him". That is to say that no one had him as a legitimate first-round pick with first-round talent prior to the pre-draft camps....and I doubt the Spurs were different.
    Nobody knew about Mahinmi either.

    The fact is that we all know about Pruitt because hes a kid that played at USC. Thats a whole lot more visual than the Honka Playboys ( ). Honestly, I don't know about you, but I spend a good amount of time watching college basketball when its on (and its on a lot). Yet I've never seen any Finnish team just happen to be on ESPN. But just because the vast majority of us casual fans don't know them doesn't mean that the group of professional scouts from the Spurs camp aren't old friends with the guy.

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    Of specific note is that Afflalo came in at 6'6 225lb with a 6'9 wingspan. One conflicting note is that it didn't have him working out for the Spurs...I will investigate further.
    Wow, I like Afflalo even more than I did beforehand. Only thing better would be to hear that Alando Tucker is actually 6'6 and has a 7 ft. wingspan.

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    Kopponen hasn't been discovered during the nike hoop summit, Jerry West has gone to finland last january to scout him.

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    Kopponen hasn't been discovered during the nike hoop summit, Jerry West has gone to finland last january to scout him.
    Oooo, if West likes him, we might want to avoid him.

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    Adding more fuel to the fire... True Hoop has a post devoted to Zabian Dowdell as he's heading back to San Antonio for another workout and how much he'd like to play there.

    http://myespn.go.com/blogs/truehoop/...n-Dowdell.html

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    Adding more fuel to the fire... True Hoop has a post devoted to Zabian Dowdell as he's heading back to San Antonio for another workout and how much he'd like to play there.

    http://myespn.go.com/blogs/truehoop/...n-Dowdell.html
    After reading this

    "he has distinguished himself in NBA circles for his character."

    and this

    "he has amazing reach for a guy his size, his basketball IQ is very high, he works extremely hard, he's a dream to coach"

    I can see why the Spurs would have him on their short list.

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    I take away these things from the interview:

    1) Gabe Pruitt does not have a promise.

    2) The Spurs are definitely looking at a back-up point guard.

    3) They are in the process of ranking the point guards.

    4) It is not clear whether they intend to take the PG at #28 or #33.

    5) A domestic point is NOT out of the question.

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    Also seems like they want a combo guard as their back-up PG, instead of, say, a Taurean Green that can only play PG.

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    ^Which is the best way to go imo.

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    Any chance that the Spurs draft Carl Landry (Purdue, PF/SF)? He may still be around late in the 2nd round. From what I know of him, he should fit well into the Spurs system. He did a stellar job on defense in the NCAA Tournament against Florida. Landry is actually TALLER than listed; his height was never updated after junior college. He may be as tall as 6'9." He will probably still play SF in the NBA, though.

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    I take away these things from the interview:

    1) Gabe Pruitt does not have a promise.

    2) The Spurs are definitely looking at a back-up point guard.

    3) They are in the process of ranking the point guards.

    4) It is not clear whether they intend to take the PG at #28 or #33.

    5) A domestic point is NOT out of the question.
    Could also mean that Vaughn maybe heading back to 3rd stringer status.

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    Could also mean that Vaughn maybe heading back to 3rd stringer status.
    That would be the goal.

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