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I thought Randolph Morris is a Center?
Don't know if you saw it already, but "Big Baby" Davis declared for this draft. I know some of the sites didn't include him in their mock drafts, so add some more depth to this draft...
I thought Randolph Morris is a Center?
He is, I was talking about White
BTW, Bulls second round pick isn't top51 protected but top53 protected. Ludden say it in his mailbag and espn too.
http://www.mysanantonio.com/sports/b....2f3c826b.html
http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/draft2...ory?id=2782886
Damn. They'd have to catch Cleveland or Houston, both of which are 4 games up in the loss column. Not likely.
Not like Portland (who wd get it instead) needs another 2nd rounder. Don't they have, like, 4-5?
These comments by Bruno in another thread caught my eye. Scola is being looked at hard and could be used as bait to trade up in this ever-deepening draft...
BTW, I am not an advocate of trading away Scola....
I wouldnt want to trade him either, not a fan of trading players before you can see what they do
Or he can be traded with expiring contracts to get a vet.
Scola is having a very good year in europe and will likely be euroleague's MVP, his buyout isn't a concern anymore : his trade value will be at an all time high this summer.
I'm not saying too that Spurs should trade him but why not, if an interested team make a good offer.
I wonder what the Spurs will term "a good offer", because they have been fairly cautious in the past, so I don't see a deal getting done unless they can get something significant in return.
Also, while I agree that his value may be at an "all-time high" this summer, I think that's relative to what it's been at before (worth next to nothing). I still say that to establish any real value, he'll have to come overseas and prove it on this stage (something I'm confident in)....
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I wonder if Scola+the Milwaukee pick could move the Spurs pick into the late teens.
You know, the more I read about McGuire the more I think he would be a perfect fit for what we need, athletic enough to guard and play the 3, big and strong enough to match up against some 4s, he would be a pretty good fit
I've also been impressed with Reyshawn Terry's play in the tourney.
He is damn good, and a great defender, athletic as , I think the SPurs could have a good shot at him in the mid 2nd
Spurs wanted last year a first round pick for Scola, I don't see why they will ask for less this summer.
And if nobody is ready to give what Spurs want for Scola they can just sign him : there are no reasons to trade Scola for something that will help less Spurs than Scola himself. Ludden says in his mailbag that Spurs aren't against signing Scola.
Think we could get Big Baby in the late 20's?
I think Big Baby will definately be there late in the 1st, although Im really not sure how good of a fit he would be
Think he might last until the second round as there are plenty of skilled PFs in this draft without "weight" issues. I also think that the Spurs have filled their quota for out-of-shape big in Jackie Butler. I think he'll be a good asset to another team, but I doubt he's wearing silver and black next year...
Last year it didn't work because the Spurs didn't already have a first rounder or even a decent second rounder to work with. This year, Scola is coming off an MVP calibur season, putting up great numbers, has a reasonable buyout, and the Spurs can use one of their picks along with Scola to gain in this draft....I think it's more possible than ever.
I love the last thing you quoted though. It makes it seem like the Spurs FO is actually impressed and anxious to see what Scola could bring to the table. I still think it's best for the Spurs to bring him over, especially when the draft is deep enough to get some possible key future pieces without having to trade up...
This is our man,SEC player of the year, WHAT!
Last edited by mardigan; 03-21-2007 at 11:04 AM.
Good take.
Did the Spurs want a pure first round pick for Scola, or to trade up/trade a future pick for him? I'm not sure they could get a first round straight up for him, but probably could trade up. If we could get someone like Corey Brewer, I'd absolutely give up Luis Scola for him.
An extract of an article from last July :
I don't think Spurs will only try to trade Scola for a first round pick but they have decided that his value for Spurs was a first round pick. That is to say :
- They won't trade him for a second round.
- They won't package with their first round pick for a trade like 28th + Scola for 25th. If they use Scola to move up, it's to get a mid first round pick.
- They won't trade him for a marginal vet whose trade value is a couple of second round picks.
And as I said before Spurs aren't at all in a weakness situation: if no team is ready to give what Spurs wants for Scola, Spurs can just sign him. Spurs would be in a weaker situation if they weren't ready at all to give a contract to Scola and Ludden says it's not the case.
Well last year the Spurs only had a late second rounder, so that means the Spurs had little to bargain with if the first round team didn't want to sacrafice a first rounder (the 57th pick is hardly a consellation prize). I agree with Bruno that the Spurs will clearly not "give" a player away (as we saw with the Spurs retaining Butler/Beno at the deadline instead of dealing for scraps), so I think Scola is only packaged if it is to get into the teens...maybe lottery.
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I fear there are some wrong assumptions regarding the Scola situation going around.
it was not the buyout in the first place, that hindered the Scola signing last summer.
the information was, that the buyout would have been 3.5 million and Scola's agent had negotiated a deferred payment for 3 years.
the other information was, that Scola was demanding a 3 years 9-10 million $ contract, which the Spurs just didn't want to give.
so, even if the buyout is further reduced, does anyone see that Scola reduces his asking price? why should he?
as it was mentioned, he is playing better than ever in the Euroleague this year (despite being injured in the first weeks).
his best comparison (Garbajosa) is doing quite well for a rookie and there has never been a doubt that Scola's potential is higher. (and Scola is almost 3 years younger). Garbajosa got more than Scola was asking and I didn't hear Colangelo being criticized for giving him that contract lately.
(btw. Scola is currently making 1.9 million $ after taxes + bonuses and it was reported, that he would get quite more if he stayed with Tau)
anyhow.
we learned that Luis is a proud man, sometimes quite quick-tempered and for sure not devoted and thankfull that someone from NBA is just talking to him.
whatever happened in fact last summer (we will never know), fact is that Scola was more than just upset about the Spurs organisation and that he really really hates RC. (calling him almost every spanish cussword in an interview that is banned from board)
so a lot does have to change, if they want to ever get back on the table.
I do hope that Manu and especially Oberto (who is highly respected by his Argentinian teammates and a friend of Scola) will help to cool down the situation and convince Scola that the Spurs do have a great team and a great coach, but just a nearsighted bookkeeper.
for sure the Spurs would have to do the first step, if they really plan to try again to sign him. this "wait for our call because you are plan C or D, if A and B fail", or the position: "we own your rights, so we just offer you half of what other teams would give you" will lead to the same result like last summer.
like it or not, this is the going-in position. the buy-out is just a minor matter in this regard.
if Spurs really want to get him, show him the money. he was just asking for half of what the average salary of a NBA player is.
that's not exactly greedy, as some on this board are constantly repeating.
(the "prove yourself first" hardliners)
every signing is a risk for a team. about Scola one thing can be assumed for sure: he won't show up out of shape and he will work his ass off every second he is playing.
conclusion: I would still love to see Scola with this team and do hope the situation can be solved somehow. if the positions are to far apart, they should of course try to trade his rights, but not for future picks or a better pick this year (I think this wouldn't get the value back), they should use it to sweeten a package in a trade scenario. in this years draft teams will be very cautious to trade their picks, so a trade for a player looks more promissing IMO.
Bulls come to mind once again. they for sure won't offer their pick, even if it doesn't look as valueable as at the start of the season.
but they might think of trading a player. Sefolosha, Khryapa and Duhon would be great options for us.
Rumors say that they are anything but happy with Tyrus. (not because of his play, but because of his behavior. he is describet as angry, defiant, condescending and arrogant). so Tyrus would be not exactly the charakter Spurs usually look for.
the other team might be the Nets. but they won't do anything till they have learned what Carter is going to do. Antoine Wright would be a player the Spurs could really use.
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