I think the whole conversation started because Julian Wright was tumbling down the draft boards. Sure, I'd rather have Brewer, but he's guaranteed to be gone by the top 10. J. Wright stands a good chance of falling out of the lottery.I think Durant is the long 3 that we so badly need.
I would prefer Brewer to Wright. Not that it matters in the least bit.
His inability to hit knock down open shots would really hurt there. (Not that there is no way that he can get any better, but I don't think you can bank on him developing a reliable perimeter game either.)
As great as Bowen has been on the defensive end, if he's not hitting that corner 3, his value is greatly diminished.
Really?? Wow, I need to go catch up on my NBA Draft. I can't believe Wright would drop that far.
http://draftexpress.com/workout.php?...0&pid=0&tid=20
Gabe Pruitt, Sun Yue and DJ Strawberry will work out with Spurs on June 25th.
Pruitt in for a second look....I really like the possibility of him on this team.
Interesting. Are we sure this is a second look for Pruitt? If it is, perhaps there was something to the rumors of the Spurs liking him.
Yue and Strawberry are both pretty good options at 58. Strawberry has been telling teams he can be a Bruce Bowen type player. I guess the Spurs will see first hand.
Still it's weird a rumor of a 'promise' for Pruitt came about.
Like timvp says, Strawberry and Yue are two guys for the 58 pick, which suggests they're ready to use it on a domestic player. Of course it'll be a continuum, depending on whether they draft a foreign guy earlier. As I've thought for a while, they may be looking to add two rookies this offseason.
I think Yue and Strawberry are more a matter of just taking a look at everyone. They may be in the mix at 58 but most likely not because the Spurs don't have the roster space.
Although Yue or Strawberry may agree to hone their skills overseas a la Derrick Dial, which would make them more intriguing to the Spurs.
They've been bringing Strawberry in some with the PGs like Pruitt, Koponen and Dowdell. Maybe to see how these PGs handle defensive pressure.
I'm pretty sure Yue would be willing to go overseas. If we could get him a decent spot to develop, it' not like he's at home now... Strawberry I don't know about. He might prefer to stay home and try the D-league.
I've been pimping the DJ Strawberry idea for a while. I would love to grab him up. If he goes to Europe for a year or two to get better then I'd like it even more.
Chumpdumper was the first to mention Sun Yue and I like him as well. He would have to be willing to stay overseas (and play in a more difficult league) but he would be intriguing as can be.
I wonder if a Ricky Sanchez deal is possible with these players -- have them play in the D-League on their own without actually being signed -- or was Sanchez just grandfathered in since the Idaho was a CBA team before coming into the D-League. Something like that might work for Yue if the Chinese cover alot of his expenses anyway.
From Chad Ford's latest. I thought this tidbit was interesting, given that some have said the Spurs would likely trade their first rounder...here are some teams reportedly looking to get in the first round mix. Granted, most of the suggestions are for higher picks....but what, if anything, do you think the Spurs could get out of these teams?
http://insider.espn.go.com/espn/blog...name=ford_chad• Several teams, including the Cavs, Mavs, Pacers and Raptors, are trying to figure out how to get into the first round.
The Cavs and Mavs, unfortunately, don't have a lot of assets with which to move up. A couple of the Cavs' best young players -- Anderson Varejao and Sasha Pavlovic -- are hitting free agency. The Mavs could offer Jason Terry, but I don't think anyone's giving up a high pick for him.
The Pacers have a lot more trade bait. Jermaine O'Neal is still available and could help the Pacers land pick No. 19 from the Lakers or possibly No. 17 from the Nets as part of a larger trade. And the Pacers also have a $4 million dollar trade exception that they picked up in the Al Harrington deal. That means they could approach a cash-strapped team like Phoenix, offer to take a salary under $4 million off their hands and get pick No. 24 or No. 29 for doing it.
The Raptors also have some ammunition, point guard Jose Calderon. He is on the last year of his contract, and with T.J. Ford's extension kicking in, it's unlikely that the Raptors will be willing to fork over the cash next year.
Calderon could be a valuable trade chip to move Toronto into the late lottery to mid-first round. The Hawks at No. 11, the Wizards at No. 16, the Lakers at No. 19, the Heat at No. 20 and the Knicks at No. 23 are all looking for point guards.
More General Reading - NBADraft.net's positional ratings:
SF's
http://www.nbadraft.net/2007smallforwards001.asp
SG's
http://www.nbadraft.net/2007shootingguards001.asp
and PG's
http://www.nbadraft.net/2007pointguards001.asp
I will note that I am not as impressed by NBADraft.net's analysis as with Draftexpress and Hoopsanalyst.
Further Question I previously asked regarding what the audience would consider a fair value of picks for Scolas' rights. A follow up - who out there would do either 31 and 35 for Scola (from Seattle) or 37 and 42 for Scola (from Portland)? Particularly in light of the Oberto opt-out and potential Finley opt-out, we might be looking for some cheap parts for at least a year, maybe 2...
Not impossible, but the Spurs are much more likely to fill their roster with veterans, than with a bunch of young guys. I think the Spurs are likely to go international with one of their picks already (though I don't think it's a given), so it's hard for me to believe they would add more picks.
A few interesting quick hitters from ESPNs Andy Katz....
The one BIG rumor going around after the Suns scheduled workouts with Noah, Brewer, and Brendan Wright was that they were close to a deal to move into the top 10...both Ford and Katz commented as such.
Quick hitters on the draft:
• LSU junior forward Glen Davis is skyrocketing up the draft and New Jersey is very interested in Davis selecting at No. 17. The Nets, according to sources, are high on Davis, Colorado State's Jason Smith or former Boston College center Sean Williams. Davis has worked out for New York, New Jersey, Philadelphia, Utah, Miami, Golden State, Washington, Houston and was at Detroit Monday.
• The rumors of a promise to DePaul's Wilson Chandler to New York at No. 23 may be misdirected. According to sources, Chandler's guarantee is actually more likely with one of Phoenix's late first-round picks at No. 24 or 29.
• A number of teams told ESPN.com that they believed USC's Gabe Pruitt has a bottom-guarantee from Miami at No. 20.
• After talking to a number of teams Monday, the consensus was that the biggest slider in the first round could be Kansas' Julian Wright, who could fall to Washington at No. 16.
Green Room invitees for the draft
http://www.realgm.com/src_wiretap_ar...een_room_list/
· Corey Brewer (Florida)
· Michael Conley (Ohio St.)
· Kevin Durant (Texas)
· Jeff Green (Georgetown)
· Spencer Hawes (Washington)
· Al Horford (Florida)
· Yi Jianlian (China)
· Acie Law IV (Texas A&M)
· Joakim Noah (Florida)
· Greg Oden (Ohio St.)
· Rodney Stuckey (Eastern Washington)
· Al Thornton (Florida St.)
· Brandan Wright (North Carolina)
· Julian Wright (Kansas)
· Nick Young (USC) [READ]
What the heck is a "bottom-guarantee"?
Googling right now....
Interesting article pointed out by TrueHoop:
http://www.nytimes.com/2007/06/25/sp...=1&oref=slogin
Actually, I was thinking more in terms of 2008. Consider having 28, 33, 37, 42, and 58 in 2007, and 28 and 58 in 2008. Assume Oberto and Finley both opt out for more money and years elsewhere...
In 2k7 our roster looks currently :
Bigs: Tim, Horry, Elson, Butler,
Wings: Barry, Bowen, Manu, White
PG's: Parker, Beno
Random guess at a mock, trying not to be too crazy (work off of Draftexpress)
Pick # 28 Koponen, Stash in Europe for 1 year
#33 Dominic Mcguire - cheap contract up to 3 years of team options
#37 Demetris Nichols - cheap contract up to 3 years of team options
#42 Ramon Sessions - cheap contract up to 3 years of team options
#58 Ali Traore, Stash in Europe
Bigs - Tim, Horry, Elson, Butler, Javtokas (2 years, 2nd year team option), Vet Min Big
Wings - Barry,Bowen,White, Manu, Mcguire, Nichols
PG's - Parker, Sessions, Vaughn (resigned).
Dump Beno somehow as a trade...
Guaranteed contracts in 2k8
In 2K8
Bigs - Tim
Wings - Manu
PG's - Parker
Options
Bigs - Javtokas, Butler
Wings - McGuire, Nichols
PGs - Sessions
+ a bunch of capspace (1 big FA + smaller deals)
Exceptions that Don't count against cap
1st Round picks - Mahnimi, Koponen, 2008 1st
The key value here is that there is an exception to sign 1st round picks with guaranteed contracts -
http://members.cox.net/lmcoon/salarycap.htm#19
This gives the Spurs 3 players they can sign in 2008 above and beyond the salary cap limits...Leaving them more space for that big FA signing. The 2nd round rookie contracts from the 07 draft are all team options, so they only keep the players who worked out...ROOKIE EXCEPTION -- Teams may sign their first round draft picks to rookie "scale" contracts even if they will be over the cap as a result (see question number 41).
Problem number 1: Why does Seattle trade the 31 and the 35 for Scola again? Frankly, to work that deal Mahinmi would HAVE to be included. And frankly, judging by the huge rebuilding job that they have ahead of them out there, I don't know that they want another young big and would be willing to sacrifice two great draft picks in this deep draft.
You're again wrong.
1st round pick count against the cap wether they are signed or unsigned. The point of the CBA FAQ that you use just say that team over the cap can sign first round picks.
And please, stop posting your fantasy plans in this thread, it's not draft related.
this was really a great read and very interesting. this Stephen Danley is obviously a very talented writer.
I liked the part about Nichols. during the last weeks I also wondered why Nichols isn't moving up the boards a bit. for us this is good, so he will stay in our reach. he worked out for the Spurs, so there is at least some interest at their side.
Nichols has all the tools to become a very good defender (his lane agility test was superb, best time of the last 4 years) and obviously he is a very good shooter, probably the best of all players in this draft. he has written "great role player" all over him.
considering his skill set, he would be a great fit. he doesn't need to be a great ball handler, or create his own shot, when playing alongside the players the Spurs currently have. his role could be defined very similar to Bowen's.
Nichols could be the Spurs' sleeper. We should move up this thread.
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